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Earlier this month, we re released our episode about Tabitha
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Tazzi in remembrance of the two year anniversary of her death,
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as a special Swingshift episode. This week, we're giving you
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an update on the shocking apprehension of Oswaldo Nathaniel Perez Sanchez,
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the man wanted for her murder. Finally, her family and
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friends may get the justice they've been seeking for two years.
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Get ready as we put in a little overtime on
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Swingshift and update you on the murder of Tabitha Tozi.
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Hello everyone, Hello, not subscribers, Hello everyone.
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Hello everyone, Hello listeners.
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Welcome to a swing Shift episode. If you haven't listened
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to one before. For if you're not a subscriber, welcome, Welcome.
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We on our Swingshift episodes. John and I. We don't
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have a script. We just kind of talked through the
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cases that we cover that week, and we wanted to
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use that style to update you all on the on
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Tabitha and what happened on April fifteenth, twenty twenty five,
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and we didn't want to make this for subscribers only.
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We wanted to put this date out to everyone.
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Because it's amazing. It's an amazing thing that happened.
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Yes, So, like John said on April eighth, twenty twenty five,
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we had planned this in advance. The anniversary was coming
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up of Tabitha's murder, and in support of her family,
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like we did last year, we re released her episode
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with any updates that we had. It's also that was
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Victims' Rights Week this year, and we just wanted to
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honor all of the hard work that Regina in the
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entire Tabi tribe do all the time to keep Tabitha's
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case in the press, to keep her name out there
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here in Las Vegas and everywhere. So people are always
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looking for Oswaldo and they remember Tabby in their search
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for justice. So we recorded that episode and we released
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it on April eighth. I'm sure many of you who
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are listening now no Tabitha story, but just to remind
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everyone that Tabitha was shot on April twenty sixth, twenty
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twenty three, allegedly by her then boyfriend Oswaldo Nathaniel Prez Sanchez.
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She ended up dying from her injuries two days later,
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on April twenty fourth. And so, John, do you want
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to share the news that we have?
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Yeah, so we were it was right around news time,
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So it was around ten o'clock, I guess, yeah, and
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we were watching the news and you got a text
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message or a message on Instagram Instagram and it said
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they got Perez or something like that.
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Yes, yeah, the messengers actually in it was written in Spanish.
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Oh y, yeah, it was in Spanish, and we were
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like what what? So we immediately started googling and found
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out that the news had broken just like thirty minutes earlier. Yeah,
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that they caught him in Mexico.
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Yeah, so this was April fifteenth.
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April fifteenth, very surely after we released the episode.
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Yeah, and you and I said that like earlier that evening,
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you and I both had received a random phone call
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through like Facebook messenger from someone.
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Yes, the week's person.
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Yeah, that we didn't really know when we were kind
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of like confused, like, well, why is this person trying
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to call us? It must just be an accident through messenger,
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But it was actually because one of our listeners was
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trying to reach us to let us know that that
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the news had broke. Authorities in Sonora, Mexico arrested Perez Sanchez.
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Which is great.
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It was great news. He was a currently He wasn't
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really hiding. When we saw photos of him. I knew
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the moment I saw the photo because he was wearing
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a short sleeved shirt, and even though his face was
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partially blurred, you could see his chin and his neck
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and his like his arms, his tattoos, and I recognized
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his tattoos right away.
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We didn't talk about this, but I thought he looked
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a lot thinner too. He did, I'm not he did,
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so he was probably he probably lost a bunch of
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weight in an effort to change his appearance, yeah or
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whatever thing. But yeah, he definitely looked a lot skinnier
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for sure.
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And the authority said he was using the name Jorge.
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We found out in a similar way that we found
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out that Eric Obara had been when he was arrested
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for Leslie Placio's murder. It was a similar kind of post.
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I wonder if that's very common for Mexican authorities, for
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police departments to put out those posts where they have
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a picture of the perpetrator in handcuffs with their face
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blurred out and the officers around them.
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Although it might be that it was news in Mexico
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and it was, you know, on the news there, but
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it just made it to us. It made it to
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us because we had the Facebook post, which is which
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is excellent. We were really happy to see they finally
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got this guy. Yeah.
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The thing that was heartbreaking about the whole thing was
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that the reason why they arrested Peres Sanchez was because
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he was wanted for another murder. He is being accused
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of murdering a woman named Viviana Carelli. She was missing
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for seventeen days and then she was found murdered, and
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he is considered the prime suspect in her murder. She's
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the same twenty six years old, same age as Tabitha.
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When Tabitha was killed, Viviana's sister, Alma, actually gave an
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interview to our local Las Vegas Fox affiliate, Fox five
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here in Las Vegas, and she said, I'm not using
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my voice just for my sister, but also for Tabitha
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because she didn't deserve to die. They were the same age.
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They had so much to live for, and I don't
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think it's fair that he dimmed their light so soon.
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Like I said, Vivian was only twenty six. I read
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online that she had a beloved cat, she loves sushi,
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She was very intelligent, a very good friend. Her sister
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said she was the core of the family and she
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was a fan of Harry Styles. And there's a photo
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of Viviana hugging her cat, which is very similar to
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the photo that I love of Tabitha hugging her dog.
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Tabitha's mother came out with a statement. She said, I'm
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happy and also sad. I'm happy because the killer of
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my daughter Tabitha got caught, a moment we've been waiting
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for for two years. I knew in my heart this
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moment was arriving soon, and it finally did. I'm also
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very sad because he took the life of another young woman,
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and Vivian Caroly her name deserves to be honored and
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we will keep honoring her as well. I'm heartbroken that
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the mother will be going through what I've gone through
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these last two years. I don't desire this for anyone.
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It's very painful to lose your daughter, and especially in
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a horrible femicide. No mother deserves this, and I want
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the family to know that I'm here to support them
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and we'll fight with them for justice. The fight's not over.
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Justice is still not completely served. We want him to
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serve prison time and from to serve ideally here in
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Las Vegas. We are now on another wait to see
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what happens, and we will continue fighting for justice to
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be completely served.
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Yeah, so he would have to be extradited to the
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United States from Mexico. The United States does have an
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extradition treaty with Mexico, but Mexico requires assurances that the
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person being extradited is not facing life without parole or
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the death penalty, So that's a huge hurdle. I believe
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Eric Obara might be faced that same hurdle with his extradition,
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but also with pres Sanchez. He has this pending case
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for Viviana's murder, so I don't think the Mexican authorities
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are going to be ready to extradite him until that
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case is resolved, and it might be likely that he
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could face a long sentence if he's found guilty for
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that murder, and I don't know that he could ever
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stand trial. I hope he does, I really do. I
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hope that happens, but it could be a very long time.
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Eric Obara was arrested in July twenty twenty four. It's
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April twenty twenty five, so about nine months ago, and
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he's still not been extradited, and there's no telling when,
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and it's likely to take years. That's what I read,
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that it's going to take years for him to be extradited.
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And it seems completely within reason that both of these
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two could face first green murder charges, which could carry
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a sentence of life in prison. We were talking about it,
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and we sort of think that it could be that
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Eric Wranglebara could potentially be tried for second degree murder
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possibly no telling, no idea how to know, there's no
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way to tell, but certainly with Oswaldo, I would imagine
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it would be a first screen murder charge considering their
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witnesses to him shooting Tabitha.
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And I don't know that anyone wants to see him not.
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I don't. It's such a horrible compromise to even think
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about making right Like we don't want him to We
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want him to be extradited so we can stand trial,
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but we're going to have to compromise on the fact
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that it's the maximum sentence he's going to be able
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to get. Is going to have to be some kind
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there's going to be have to be some kind of parole.
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It can't be life without parole. That can't be the punishment,
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and it certainly can't be the death penalty or Mexico
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just won't give.
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Him to Yeah, so that's that's kind of.
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Where we're stuck. But speaking of the first degree murder charge,
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one thing that came out in the news articles this
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week that was not even there when we updated the
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episode like two weeks ago, and it definitely wasn't in
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the press. Two years ago. Tabitha's murder was recorded on
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a neighbor's security camera, and it's reported that that video
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camera footage captured exactly what her friend told the police
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and the press that had happened, That he shot Tabitha
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and then he carjacked the friend and took off.
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did they not.
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Yeah, I don't know why that wasn't made public.
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And I think back to the case, it was days
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before they named him as a suspect and they had
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him on camera, So it seems like that was a
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pretty huge miss.
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And the fact that they knew for sure the car
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that he was driving and they couldn't catch him in
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a car.
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They knew the plates. They have all these cameras going
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up and down all the major streets and they couldn't
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track them or they didn't track them.
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And comparing that to Eric Obara, I know, I keep
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bringing him up, but he murdered or he had something
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to do with Leslie. Leslie's death in twenty twenty, and
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that was twenty twenty, and they had plenty of footage
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of where his car was and all of that stuff.
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That's how they were able to catch him and find her.
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We talked about that in a couple of Casesah the
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murder behind the Avis. They tracked that dude all the
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way down Boulder Highway and they caught him the next day.
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So this wasn't this happened two years ago. This wasn't
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ancient history, This wasn't the before four. This was two years.
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Ago, wherest cameras have been up for a long time.
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There was also some new reporting about how pres Sanchez
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was terrorizing Tabitha that he had pulled a gun and
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pointed at her the day before, which is just awful.
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But we had heard those stories that she was asking
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for help and she was saying that she was scared.
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It's just all around a tragedy, especially when you think
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the authorities didn't catch him before he got away and
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he ended up murdering someone else's appears that appears to
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be true. Obviously everything is alleged, alleged, alleged.
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But but it feels like that could have been potentially
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feel that's it.
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Yeah, two families destroyed. There's also news I don't even know.
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I don't want to call it news, but there's a
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lot of speculation in the press as to who was
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protecting him in Mexico and who he was staying with
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and there it's expected that those people are likely to
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have charges brought against them for harboring a fugitive as well.
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So hopefully in the next few weeks we have even
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more updates, more updates on that.
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So we will bring further updates so we get them.
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But that is all we have for you for right now.
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We wanted to update you on that, and I will.
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Just say that since we started the podcast. More or less,
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we've been pressing every Wednesday three fugitives on the run,
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Eric Obara, Oswaldo pres Sanchez and Edwardo Clemente. And two
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of the three so far have been apprehended. So that
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leaves Edwardo Clemente, who's wanted for the murder of Tiffany Booth.
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So keep sharing his photo because we want, we want that,
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we want to be able to bring him in as well.
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They're not. Yeah, they can't hide forever. Thank you everyone.
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Later this week, the week that John and I are
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recording this, Regina and the Tabby trib are going to