April 20, 2026

Who Murdered Fred Robert Sims?

Who Murdered Fred Robert Sims?
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Who Murdered Fred Robert Sims?
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it can take only a few minutes. 43 years after the baffling murder of Fred Robert Sims, Las Vegas Metro PD is renewing the calls for anyone who had information to come forward. Was it just a robbery gone wrong or something even more sinister?

Listen now, and share. Your tip might be the one that brings closure to Robert's family after 42 long years.

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On January twenty first, nineteen eighty three, a man was

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found bleeding from his head, lying partly in the road

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just around the corner from a Denny's on Boulder Highway.

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One passer by thought he was the victim of a

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hit and run. Another thought he was possibly just drunk.

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They called for an ambulance, but the man died before

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it arrived. More than forty three years later, his killer

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or killers have never been found.

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Hi, and Welcome to Sins and Survivors, a Las Vegas

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true crime podcast refocus on cases that deal with domestic violence,

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as well as missing persons and unsolved cases. I'm your

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host Sean and.

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I'm your co host John. This week, we are bringing

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you the story of another mysterious cold case murder that

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has remained unsolved since nineteen eighty three. We also have

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an important update on Oswaldo Perez Sanchez, the man believed

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to have murdered Tabitha Tazzi and another missing person to share.

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Do you want to get us started with this week's case?

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This week we're talking about Fred Simms. Fred was born

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on January twenty fifth, nineteen thirty four, in New York,

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New York. He was originally from the Bronx. He grew

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up there with his family, and originally his last name

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was Schneiderman, but he changed it to Simms, he said

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because Schneiderman was just too long. His mother's name was

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Sylvia Schniderman, and he had a brother named Siegfried. He

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was married to a woman named Roslin and together they

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had three children, two sons named Barry and Stephen, and

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a daughter named Donna. The family moved to Las Vegas

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in July of nineteen eighty two. They lived in a

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single story home on El Antonio Place, which is near

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Harmon and Mountain Vista on the east side of town,

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pretty close to Samstown Casino. Before he moved to Las Vegas,

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Fred worked as a supervisor in the US Postal Service,

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but he and his family moved here because he made

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the decision to invest in a consulting firm in Las

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Vegas that was known as Data equipment Systems and leasing.

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Unfortunately for Fred, the company failed shortly after he moved here,

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so he took a job working as an in house

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postal clerk at Caesar's Palace. On Friday, January twenty first,

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nineteen eighty three, around six thirty in the evening, he

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and Roslin were having dinner at the Denny's on Boulder

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Highway and Harmon, just around the corner from where they lived.

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That Denny's location is still there forty three years later,

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next to the Longhorn Casino and across the street from

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where the east Side Canery used to be. The east

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Side Cannery is one of those casinos that closed up

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during the pandemic but never reopened. The couple enjoyed their

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dinner and before they went home, Roslin said she needed

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to use the restroom and she would go ahead and

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take care of the bill with the waitress. So Fred

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went outside to start the car and form it up

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and to wait for her. When Roslin came out outside

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of the restaurant a few minutes later, she expected to

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find Fred and that warm car waiting, but Fred was

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nowhere to be found. It seemed like he had just disappeared.

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The car was there, but he was gone. Roslin looked

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around the restaurant and the parking lot trying to find him,

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but she ended up calling one of her sons to

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give her a ride home and to help her figure

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out where Fred had gone. When Roslin and her son

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were driving home, they passed the corner of Harmon and Shepherd,

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where a crowd had gathered around a man that was

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lying partly in the roadway. A man passing by the

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area had seen the injured man on the side of

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the road and believed that maybe he was the victim

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of a hit and run accident because of the way

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he was lying in the road. Another man, who was

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walking through the neighborhood and had been drinking, believed that

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the man on the sidewalk was also drunk, because he

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said that the man had been vomiting. When Roslin and

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her son saw the man on the side of the road,

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they recognized him immediately as Fred. Fred had blood running

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down his head, and people rushed to call an ambulance

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for him, but unfortunately, he passed away before the ambulance

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even arrived. Fred was only forty eight years old. It

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was just a few days before his forty ninth birthday

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that he was killed. He was only three tenths of

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a mile away from the Dennis. The walk would have

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only taken him maybe seven to ten minutes if he

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was on foot. Police determined that Fred was the victim

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of a robbery. He was missing one hundred and eighty

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dollars that he had had in his wallet, and the

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police came up with two possibilities. Either Fred was forced

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into a car at gunpoint and then shot and then

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dumped out on the side of the road, or perhaps

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someone had just pointed a gun at him and then

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Fred took off running down the street. He had been

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shot twice in the head with a small caliber handgun.

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One of the few pieces of evidence that we have

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is that there were shell casings found near Fred's body.

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It was the only evidence the police had, so it

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wasn't likely that he had been shot inside of the

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car and then dumped out. It was likely that he

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was shot right there on the side of the road.

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One witness did claim he heard gunshots and saw a

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white man walking away from the area, but he couldn't

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describe the man because it was too dark. On that

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same day, along that same stretch of Boulder Highway. Two

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other armed robberies had occurred. A Kentucky Fried Chicken and

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another chain restaurant had been robbed that same day at gunpoint.

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As a result, the police were looking for three white

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men in connection with those robberies, one man in his

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late twenties, one in his mid forties, and another in

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his late forties or early fifties. They were also looking

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for a two or four door dirty gold colored Cadillac Sedan,

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a model from either the late nineteen sixties or the

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early nineteen seventies. There was some more information that wasn't

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reported in the original articles at the time, but recent

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reporting has said detectives believed what most likely happened was

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that Fred was followed out of the Dennis. A few

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witnesses reported that a man came into the restaurant that night,

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sat at the counter, and ordered his dinner, but then

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moved to a booth closer to Fred and Roslin after

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he received his food, and when Fred left and Roslin

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went to the restroom, the man quickly paid his bill

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and took off right on Fred's heels. Investigators then believed

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that the suspect most likely attempted to rob Fred and

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there was a confrontation and Fred ran away and it

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ended up with Fred being shot multiple times. The police

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have a sketch of this man based on the witness's descriptions,

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but I don't think it's very helpful. It looks like

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a generic white person and possibly even a young James Kahn.

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It might have been shared on the evening news, but

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I did not find it published in any editions of

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the RJ or The Sun, and we didn't find any

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articles about any new tips, leads, rewards, and after forty

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three years, Metro was still looking for information about who

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killed Fred. Fred was lead to rest in Las Vegas

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in a private ceremony, leaving behind his mom, brother, wife,

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and three kids. Anyone with information about this case is

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urged to contact LVMPD Homicide at seven oh two eight

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two eight three five two one. To remain anonymous, you

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can always contact Crimestoppers at seven oh two three eight

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five five five five five or visit primestoppers of envy

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dot com.

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Next, we want to bring you an update on the

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case of the murder of Tabitha Tazzi by Oswaldo Nathaniel

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Perez Sanchez. We covered this one most recently on the

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second anniversary of her murder in episode seventy three. You

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can listen to that full episode at sinspod dot co

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Slash seventy three. In April of twenty twenty three, during

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an argument outside of his family's home, Oswaldo allegedly shot

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Tabitha and threatened her friend, who was a witness to

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the murder, and then he stole her car and disappeared.

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Two years later, while hiding out in Sineloa, Mexico, Perez

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Sanchez murdered again. This time it was Vivian Carole Iporo Kabanias,

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who looked a lot like Tabitha. We also reported in

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our most recent update that he was finally apprehended in Sineloa, Mexico,

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which is great news, but since then it's been a

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total legal quagmire. Mexico, as we told you previously, has

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not been willing to extradite Perez Sanchez to stand trial

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in Nevada for Tabitha's murder while his other case is

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still active. Alma, Vivian's sister said in an interview that

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their original lawyer has stopped updating them on the case.

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In court documents dated June sixth, twenty twenty five from

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Sineloa that News Channel three obtained. There was even more

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going on. There is apparently some question about whether Perez

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Sanchez was using his brother George's ID during the legal

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process in Mexico, which has led to a shocking amount

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of confusion about his identity. They seem to be referring

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to him in the document with three different names with

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and or between them, kind of like AKA. It's clear

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that he's charged with femicide, which is a flavor of

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murder charge against women that we don't really have here

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in the US. Not only that, there's another document from

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June twenty seventh, twenty twenty five, showing that he was

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transferred from a minimum security prison, Aguarato Prison in Kalia

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Khan to a maximum security prison called Goros two, which

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is an extremely infamous prison known for violence with the

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inmates and recent drug seizures. The document said that he

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was transferred because he was a risk to safety his

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or others, and apparently another inmate at the original prison

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texted Alma that he was being transferred to the new

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prison as well along with Perez Sanchez, and he claimed

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that Perez Sanchez had committed new crimes in prison, but

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of course we can't verify that. With all the wrangling

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about his identity in which ID card he was using,

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Tabitha and Vivian's families and the authorities here are concerned

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that he could simply be let go if Mexican authorities

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become convinced that this is just a case of mistake

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and identity. Alma has said that she's understandably afraid for

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her family's safety if that happens. Perez Sanchez needs to

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pay for his crimes, both of them in Mexico and

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here in Nevada. We hope that all of this can

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be straightened out soon so they can address his being

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extradited to stand trial. We will update you with information

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as we learn more.

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We want to remind everyone that this week is the

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anniversary of Tabitha's passing, so please keep her in your

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thoughts as her family is still dealing with the pain

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of this incredible loss. Next, we want to share the

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missing person story from this week. We decided to choose

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a story that also dates back to the nineteen eighties,

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the disappearance of Michael Stephen Cecina. He was last seen

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in December of nineteen eighty six based on our research.

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He was born in nineteen fifty two in California, and

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he was often called Mike. He actually lived in the

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Star Wars neighborhood near Russell and Mountain Vista. In that neighborhood,

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there are several streets named after Star Wars characters like

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Leah Vader, Kenobi, and Mike lived on Skywalker Avenue. That

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development was built back in nineteen seventy nine. When Mike disappeared,

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he was thirty four years old. Today he would be

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seventy three, turning seventy four in December this year. He

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is between five foot nine and five foot eleven, and

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at the time he disappeared he weighed between two twenty

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five and two thirty. His hair at the time was

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brown and he was bald on top, and he was

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known to sometimes wear a two pay. In the most

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recent photo we have, Mike has a mustache and he

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was known to sometimes wear a beard as well as

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a mustache. He has brown eyes, and he sometimes wore

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glasses or he sometimes wore contacts. According to NamUs, he

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has a tattoo on his left shoulder of an astrological sign.

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Our best guess is that would be a tattoo representing Sagittarius,

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because that would have been Mike's star sign based on

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his birthday in early December, but unfortunately we don't have

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any photos of it. We know that one of his

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ears was pierced and that he has a square shaped

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scar on his forehead. Mike was last seen leaving his

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house on Skywalker Avenue to walk to the nearby seven

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eleven at nine o'clock in the morning on December twenty second,

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nineteen eighty six. He would often walk to that seven eleven,

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police said, for exercise. It's on the corner of Russell

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and Mountain Vista, and it would have been around a

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three quarter mile walk from his house, taking him about

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maybe fifteen twenty minutes. When he left, he did not

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take a lot of money with him, if any at all,

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police said, or any other clothing or any of other

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personal items when he left. He even left a load

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of laundry in the washing machine when he left the

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house that morning, is that he intended to finish up

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when he got back, and he was last seen wearing

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gray sweatpants and a black jacket. If you have any

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information about Mike's disappearance, please call Las Vegas Metro Police

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Department at seven oh two eight two eight two, nine

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oh seven. We know it's been almost forty years since

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he disappeared, but we are still hopeful that someone out

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there might have some information that can help his family

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