The Unsolved Murder of Leon Laureles - Arlene's Journey

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following The episode discusses topics related to domestic

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violence, including detailed accounts and descriptions
that some listeners might find distressing or triggering.

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Listener discretion is advised. Hi,
and welcome to Sins and Survivors,

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a Las Vegas true crime podcast where
we focus on cases that deal with domestic

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violence, missing persons, and unsolved
cases. I'm your host, Sean,

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and with me as always, is
the one and only John. I am

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the only John in the room.
On May tenth, nineteen ninety six,

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Leon Lorells was found shot to death
beside his burning car on Farm Road twenty

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one, twenty six, just outside
of Brownwood, Texas. He was scheduled

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to work the overnight shift at the
Kroger, but he never made it to

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work that night. Today is in
our normal episode day, but it's the

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twenty eighth anniversary of the unsolved murder
of Leon Lorellis. His niece, Arlene

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Harbison has a podcast called The Box
in the Basement which covered Leon's case in

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detail. Today we bring you her
first episode in its entirety. If you

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have any information about what happened to
Leon, please contact the Brown County Sheriff's

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Department at three two five six four
six five five one zero, or leave

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a tip on Justice for Leon dot
com. Also, please go check out

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Box in the Basement and show Arlene
some love. We'll be back on Tuesday

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with our normal episode, and in
the meantime, remember what happens here happens

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everywhere. Hello, and welcome to
the Box in the Basement Podcast. My

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name is Arlene, and I'll be
your host on this podcast journey. I

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am the niece of Leon Lorellis,
who was shot execution style at age thirty

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on May tenth, nineteen ninety six, outside of Brownwood, Texas, and

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whose murder has never been solved.
Leon's story is unfortunately not an uncommon one

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in this state, as we currently
have over twenty thousand unsolved homicides in the

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system, which accounts for nearly eight
percent of the unsolved murders in the entire

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United States. Leon's murder was also
very likely a hate crime, which decreases

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the chances of ever being solved even
further. A little info about me.

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My five grandkids are my entire life
and heart. I love kids, traveling,

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baking, crafting, reading, and
I am a huge fan of Pink

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and Brandy Carlyle. I am a
person that has so much empathy for others

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that at times it's frustrating not being
able to help everyone. That's the reason

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on starting this podcast project. I
want to bring you tention to cold cases,

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especially those involving potential hate crimes.
I want the families and friends of

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the victims to be heard. I
want to assist in the pursuit of closure

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and justice in any way i can. Leon was such a given person and

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I strive to be like him,
and I hope I make him proud.

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Leon and I were very close,
not just because we were family, but

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mostly because we were all we had. We didn't have parents that cared if

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we went to school, did well, took us to the doctor, if

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we were sick. We were never
told I love you, we're given hugs.

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There were no bedtime stories, no
one asking how school was, no

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help with homework. They barely spoke
to us. I remember my mother rarely

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acknowledging or speaking to me unless she
needed me to do something or was mad

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at me. My father was always
working, so we didn't see much of

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him, and we certainly never spoke
about our problems in our family. My

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siblings and cousins were years younger than
me, and Leon's siblings were a lot

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older, so he took care of
me always. Don't get me wrong,

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we didn't have an awful childhood.
It just wasn't that great. I have

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my own childhood traumas, the kind
that stay with you forever and the kind

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you can never forget. I'm not
sure if Leon had any trauma in his

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childhood, but I really hope he
didn't, because he had a hard life

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from the start. What I want
to share with you today is how one

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phone call on a single night changed
my entire life forever. On May tenth,

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nineteen ninety six, my phone rang
in the early morning hours. I

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can't remember the exact time because what
I heard on the phone that night was

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something that I could not comprehend at
all. This phone call haunts me to

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this day. Anytime the phone rings
in the middle of the night, I

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am instantly terrified and dritting the bad
news I'm sure will follow, and I

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can never go back to sleep after
that. I get this horrible fear that

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something is wrong, someone is hurt, and it is fear filled with anxiety

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that I will carry with me for
the rest of my life. That phone

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call was my cousin saying Leon is
dead. I thought, I misunderstood.

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I must be dreaming. This cannot
really be happening, because those were words

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I never thought i'd ever hear words
that no one expects to hear. All

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I could get out was what Before
my cousin could repeat herself, I had

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already dropped the phone, yelling no, no, no. I heard a

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horrible cry that scared me. It
was me. That's the moment my entire

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world changed, My entire worldview changed. I lost my faith for a very

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long time, and I did not
trust anyone. I could not make sense

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of how this could happen to the
best person I ever had the privilege of

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knowing. The only person in my
life that truly loves me completely, without

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limits or judgment, the one person
that always protected me, who took care

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of me from day one. My
biggest struggle was that, and still is

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twenty seven years later, is not
knowing why why would anyone do this to

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him? I had never seen him
angry, mad or yell or have an

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argument with anyone. He is so
kind, loving, empathetic and selfless.

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So why why? The answer to
this question will never come, and I

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didn't know how to deal with that. The pain is so deep that you

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cannot breathe. Nothing looks or feels
the same anymore. I have been sentenced

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to a lifetime of pain, grief, and trauma. Life keeps going on

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for everyone else, but not for
me. I was stuck in a very

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dark place. I didn't know how
to get out, and didn't think I'd

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ever be able to get out of. I couldn't function, I didn't know

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how to deal with the most extreme
pain I had ever felt. My heart

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was shattered into a million pieces.
I could not lessen the terrible heartache I

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felt every second of every day,
not even for a single moment. There

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was no light, no love,
nor happiness in my life anymore. And

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I didn't think there ever would be
again. I remember being at the Sheriff's

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office. I don't remember how I
got there, how I knew where to

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go, how I got dressed,
or what it did with my kids.

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I only remember standing outside while it
was still dark, with my aunts,

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my mom, my uncle George,
and my cousin. None of us could

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speak. What do you say in
that situation? A situation I couldn't fully

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understand at that point was unfolding.
I was in shock. I was praying

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the entire time, hoping that they
were wrong and Leon was still alive.

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All we knew was that Leon was
shot. The wait was so long that

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not knowing any more details was excruciating. I have never been so terrified,

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frustrated, or angry in my entire
life. Only my uncle George was allowed

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to go inside the Sheriff's office to
speak to the Texas Ranger, Bobby Grubbs,

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who had taken on the case right
from the start. I was never

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questioned, spoken to, or even
looked at by law enforcement. But that

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is another story for another time.
I didn't exist. I was invisible.

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I was devastated, scared, and
I felt so alone. Daylight was just

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breaking when I heard someone say Leon's
death was already in the newspaper. I

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don't remember who said it, but
I heard that person say the newspaper printed

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that Leon was killed execution style.
I instantly got angry. I got in

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my car. My aunt, Sally, and my mom went with me to

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the Brownwood Bulletin. I walked in
and told the receptionist I'm Leon's family and

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we didn't know any of this information. How dare you print that without talking

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to anyone. I was yelling,
crying, and I saw everyone looking at

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me strangely. Then my aunt took
my arm to get me out of there.

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I went out and found a newspaper
box outside the doors. I frantically

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searched for change. I don't remember
if someone gave me change or if I

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found some in my purse, but
I opened the door and grabbed several copies

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of the newspaper and sat in the
passenger seat of my car to read it.

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I heard my mom and aunt saying
I didn't pay for all of the

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copies I took, and I needed
to pay for them. I don't care,

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I yelled. I was so angry, hurt, confused, and devastated.

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That I couldn't even read the words
in front of me. I just

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stared at the photo on the front
page. I couldn't make sense of anything

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at that point, But I remember
this happening as if it happened yesterday.

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At times, it does feel like
it just happened, and I am on

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this endless loop, reliving this nightmare
every every day for the rest of my

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life. I remember crying and feeling
the pain that there are no words to

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describe, a heartache that will never
go away, a pain that never heals.

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The mind is a remarkable thing.
My mind was trying to protect me.

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The pain was just too much,
and because of that, there is

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so much I cannot remember. I
don't remember the funeral, who was there,

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what I did during that time.
I've seen pictures of myself and my

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sons at the funeral, and I
have no recollection of how we got there.

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But what I do remember is being
at the funeral home when it was

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time to spend time with Leon before
his burial. I was there with my

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uncle George, Uncle Frank, Aunt
Sally, Aunt Lily, and my mom.

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We were round his coffin. George
told us that the funeral director and

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ranger Grubbs told him we should not
view Leon's face because it was swollen from

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aunt's where his head landed in an
ant bed. My mom said to me,

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don't look at him. You don't
want to remember him like this.

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I put my hands on his chest
and cried. I remember his hand being

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so cold. I still was having
a hard time comprehending what was happening.

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I wanted to see him one last
time, but I also didn't want to

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remember him any different than the sweet
face I had always seen. The only

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other thing I remember about that day
is holding on to his casket at the

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graveside. I didn't want to leave
him alone. I felt so much guilt

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for not being there for him.
I could feel his fear of being hurt

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and alone, and my heart and
mine just couldn't take it. I just

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kept saying, I can't leave him, in between sobs, over and over

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and over. Everyone had walked away. I was just it was just me,

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holding on tightly and not wanting to
leave him. My mom walked up

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with my dad, and she told
my dad to get me. He put

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his hands on my arms, trying
to pull me away, but I just

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couldn't leave. I felt so much
guilt that he was alone when this was

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happening, and I couldn't bear to
let him feel alone again. My dad

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had to pry my hands off the
casket again. That pain was too much

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for me, and I don't remember
what I did after that. I don't

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remember anyone around or what happened the
rest of the day or the next day.

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The next few weeks were a complete
blur because I was lost. I

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felt dead inside. It took everything
in me just to get up, get

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dressed, go to work, and
feed my kids. It was incredibly hard

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to do everyday basic things. Every
single day before work, after work at

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night, I would lock myself in
my bathroom and cry as quietly as I

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could so my kids could not hear
me. I didn't think the heartache would

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ever leave me, and I was
right, it hasn't. I didn't eat,

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didn't sleep, I didn't do anything
more than what was required of me.

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For a long time. Life was
going on around me, and I

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hated it because I felt that it
was so wrong for anyone to live on

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as if everything was normal when it
wasn't in my world. Other things I

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remember in the weeks after a female
news reporter came to my home to interview

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George. My aunt Sally and my
mom were there also. I remember where

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everyone sat. I remember being frustrated
that I wasn't asked anything at all.

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I remember George was being so shy
and timid, and not nearly as angry

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as I thought he should be.
I was hurt, and I wanted everyone

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to know that. I wanted everyone
to know how special Lyon was to us.

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The world needed to know on fair
and unjust it was that the murderers

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could just be walking around, free
to live their lives, but Leon wasn't.

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The reporter never asked the rest of
us a single thing, nor did

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she speak to us directly. It
confuses me to this day to understand how

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a journalist could come into my home
and not be interested in anything I had

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to say or any information that I
may have had. HI. It's Sean

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remember a day George came to my
house to discuss hiring API. He told

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me that the Texas Ranger I mentioned
earlier, Grubbs, was not doing much

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of an investigation and Leon didn't seem
to be a priority at all. I

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didn't learn until years later why he
felt this way. He didn't go into

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detail, but now I understand what
the problem was with Grubs. It was

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the good old boys Network, the
Texas Rangers of days gone by, the

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dark history of corruption and crudeness still
present in day to day operations. George

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found a private investigator named William Dear
from Dallas, Texas, who came highly

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recommended. It would cost us four
thousand dollars. We would split it.

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My mom and Aunt Lily didn't have
money, so I paid their part,

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which was nearly my entire savings.
I never met mister Dear and he wasn't

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in town very long at all.
Next thing I know, George told me

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William Dear was threatened, so he
left town without getting any real answers.

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The only thing George said to me
is the law enforcement was corrupt and William

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Dear feared for his life. That
was all I knew of that situation.

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I now have more details, but
at the time, what George told me

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was all the information I had.
Here's where I'd like to apologize to William

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Dear. For twenty seven years,
I have thought that he never provided any

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information from his short investigation. Well, I was wrong. He did,

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and I will discuss some of the
findings in his brief investigation in a future

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episode. My family and I put
our trust in law enforcement in the system,

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put our faith in God that he
would not let the person or persons

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that were responsible for doing this to
Leon to keep walking free. We prayed

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and prayed and prayed alone, together, always praying George and I would read

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the Bible every Sunday, prayed some
more. No answers came, no prayers

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were answered. Being brought up in
a very small conservative town and Catholic,

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we didn't feel we could confront or
question law enforcement. I was so naive

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and shy. I had no clue
what to do or ask. This is

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something no one prepares you for.
And how can you make logical decisions when

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your heart is broken into a million
pieces and your brain is barely functioning.

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I just went through the days as
best I could. The one year anniversary

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of his death came, and law
enforcement had made exactly zero progress on Lyon's

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case. I felt just as devastated
as I did the day it happened,

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but the lack of progress and communication
made me feel more alone than ever.

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I held a vigil at the site
on the first anniversary of his death.

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I had a preacher say some prayers, we lit our candles, cried,

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shared memories with each other, but
honestly, I don't remember much else because

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I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't
hold it together. I did yearly vigils

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for a while, but eventually I
quit. Since very few family members attended.

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I could always count on my cousin
Selina to be there at every memorial.

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Though years passed and nothing seemed to
be happening in the investigation. It

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just felt too frustrating and it gutted
me. Every year I would ask the

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newspaper to do articles about the anniversary
to see if someone would come forward,

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but no one ever did, and
the newspapers eventually stopped being interested in the

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story since there were no leads or
even any theories being shared with the public.

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It got harder and harder to live, and Brownwood and I rarely left

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the house. The pain just consumed
me. It was endless. Eventually I

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moved away, and I tried to
move on, to start over, rebuild

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something, anything, to get away
from the dark cloud that hung over me

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constantly, the pain. I am
here to tell you that time does not

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heal all wounds, because the pain
never goes away. Time nor distance heals

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the heart of this type of pain. But when you move away, it's

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no longer constantly staring you in the
face, so you can go about life

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a little more. Each day.
There will be times when you're actually having

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fun, celebrating living life, and
then the guilt hits you out of nowhere.

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I can't be having fun because Leon
is not here to have fun with

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me or enjoy his life. So
how dare I be enjoying anything to this

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day? That guilt creeps in when
you least expect it. It could be

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a song Leon light, the celebrity
he admired, a gesture someone makes like

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he did, his sweet smile,
the enjoyment that filled him when he was

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cooking or listening to music and spending
time with his family. Holidays are never

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the same. Mother's Day no longer
has the same meaning. In two thousand

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and nine, I moved back to
the area to be close to my first

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granddaughter. The thought of leone being
forgot and not a single ounce of progress

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in the last twelve years. May
the devastation all come back in full force.

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I was constantly thinking about Leon,
what happened and why no answers have

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come. So I started doing yearly
vigials again. I did foyer request,

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reached out to the sheriff, the
DA, the judge, requesting the autopsy

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report again and again. I of
course didn't get any common courtesy answers or

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even a partial report. Instead,
I received disrespect, lies, or no

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answers at all. After a few
more years of that treatment, I knew

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I needed to try a different approach. I took to writing to podcasters and

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asking for help and bringing awareness to
Leon's case. Surprisingly, they were all

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so very kind, compassionate, and
helped me in so many ways. I

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will always be eternally grateful to all
of them. I was also able to

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obtain a grant to have a billboard
go up in Brownwood for a whole year.

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I participated in two news articles,
had Leon's case featured in an Uncovered

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project, Cold Case, and Season
of Justice. I finally started to feel

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like Leon was starting to receive some
attention. I still have a long way

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to go, but I am not
stopping, even though it's incredibly hard so

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much of the time. If there
is anything positive that came from this situation,

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it's that I've changed as a person. My empathy for others is so

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great that my heart aches so much
for those going through tough things, down

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on their luck, the unhoused,
the hungry, the sick. I want

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to help them all. They all
pull at my heartstrings. I take on

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other's pain and put it right next
to the pain I have in my heart

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of losing Leon, I am now
filled with determination to make sure no one

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forgets Leon, the beautiful soul with
a huge presence, Not to forget that

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he matters. He deserves justice just
as much as any one else. He

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may not fit the criteria of the
typical, high profile victim, but he

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deserves justice just the same. I
will be Leon's voice. I will fight

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for justice for Leon until my end. I will tell his story for as

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long as I am able to.
I will not let him be forgotten.

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I will share his love and kindness
to as many as I can. I

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am also determined to make sure no
one forgets about all the other countless victims,

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known and unknown to us, who
have been victims of crimes, and

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their stories buried forgotten and lost to
time in the stack of other unsolved cases.

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Their lives had meaning, They loved
or were loved by someone, and

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they mattered. As we remember those
who have passed, let us also remember

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the lessons they taught us. They
have taught us that life is precious and

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fragile, and that we must embrace
those moments. In times of darkness.

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It is easy to lose hope.
It is even in these moments that we

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must come together as a community to
support one another, to lift each other

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up, and to shine a light
on the darkness. Those of you who

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are still fighting, we stand with
you. You are not alone. We

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will fight alongside you, and we
will never give up hope. We will

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continue to support you, to uplift
you, and to be a source of

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strength for you. Please help me
fight for justice for Leon. If you

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know anything, please speak up.
For those that have spoken to law enforcement

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with what they've seen and heard,
Thank you for speaking up. What we

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need now is anyone with evidence to
please come forward. Leon's family, friends,

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and members of Brown County deserve answers. This podcast has a bigger purpose

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than just providing information and entertainment.
The Homicide Victims Family's Rights Act is a

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bipartisan bill that was signed into law
by Congress in twenty twenty one, and

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we want to see it put into
action. This law establishes a systematic process

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for reviewing case files related to cold
case murders. The focus is on providing

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a mechanism for the families and friends
of murder victims to request a formal review

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of such cases. We need an
attorney or teams of attorneys and legal professionals

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to take on the bold and brave
fight against the system around the country.

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In our case, we need someone
to fight for Lyon, to help not

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only put fresh eyes on the case, but to get his body exhumed to

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search for evidence that was not collected
the first time around. We and other

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families and friends need assistance with getting
Foyer requests. It blows our minds that

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so many murders occurred from nineteen seventy
six to nineteen ninety seven in Brownwood,

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Texas under the watch of the same
investigators responsible for handling Lyon's case. We're

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going to look at all the unsolved
murders in Brownwood and maybe even a few

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solved ones if it helps uncover what
was happening in that era that left so

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many families devastated in a community living
in fear. If you want to hear

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more about victim focused unsolved cases and
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