Tom Randolph - the Black Widower - Discussion of Investigation Discovery Series (Bonus)

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Thanks for supporting the show. Hello everybody,

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We are doing a free Swing Shift
episode here in honor of Investigation Discovery

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releasing their three part it was three
parts, right, yeah, three part

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series on Tom Randolph, The Black
Widow or the Six Wives of Tom Randolph.

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Yes, we did a four part
series on Tom Randolph because he was

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his case came to an end in
April, just you know, three months

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ago here in Las Vegas, and
we wanted to cover that whole story.

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And it's kind of cool that we
weren't the only ones who had that idea.

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Investment Investigation Discovery also had that idea. Yeah, so we were,

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well, we were in investigating,
researching, recording like they were as well.

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They were as well, they were
getting ready for theirs. We didn't

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know about it though, when yes, when it came, when it was

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announced, we were like, whoa, and we have some things to say.

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So we have watched it and we
have opinions. We have you know,

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what we're doing. We're you know, what we're doing right now?

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What we're channeling? I think not. We kind of are we are kind

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of channeling. I think not.
Ellen, Joey. Do you think they're

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listening? They might be. I
like to think they're listening. I'd like

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to think they are. I'm gonna
we should reach out to them and tell

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them to listen. Okay, all
right, anyway, there will be way

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fewer show tunes, not as many
show tunes as Ellen and Jones. Yeah,

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that's for everyone's protection. Yes,
you don't want to hear that,

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trust me. So yeah. It
was a three part, three parter,

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three episodes, and the what I
did when we were watching it was I

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kind of broke it up into a
few different like we were actually taking notes

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while we were watching it, so
nerdy because I was like, well,

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you know, did they do a
better job than us because they have a

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much bigger budget. Yeah. And
by a bigger budget, I mean,

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you know, a budget, so
we don't have one of those, but

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they have a big budget. Yeah. Like and you know, also obviously

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iron stomach because they sat down and
interviewed Tom Randolph and you I mean,

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I don't know the I shouldn't say
there's you couldn't pay me to. I

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don't know what the dollar amount is
to get me to sit down and have

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a conversation with that man. It's
unclear to me. I mean, I

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guess definitely some of it was new
the and we'll get into how they structured

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it, but it's unclear to me
how much of the Tom Randolph interview stuff

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was new. But it's very possible
it was new because we listened to a

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lot too much Tom Randolph interview and
the stuff that he said in the investigation

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discovery was different. It was similar, similar enough, but it was like,

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story hasn't changed, yes, story, Yeah, obviously his story hasn't

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really changed, but there was some
new stuff that he said. And he's

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obviously just full of it. He's
just a liar, and he he loves

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to talk about like his sexual problem. That's all we're gonna say about that.

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Okay, Oh so gross. So
the way they chose to structure it

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is it was it was almost I
found it really weird. They it was

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almost like his daughter Christa was telling
the story beginning to end for all three

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episodes, which I found really weird. Yeah, she was like the narrator.

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So number one, it's just Christa. It's not Justice, his son

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from the first marriage. They are
from his first marriage. But that was

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very interesting, was it was interesting
to hear the perspective of his daughter,

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who was obviously in his corner because
you know, that's her dad, and

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she has a very skewed view and
couldn't conceive a world where he was a

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sociopathic serial killer basically killing multiple people. But her arc throughout the episodes was

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very clear too. Yeah, she
learned a lot, she did. Her

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eyes were opened. Yeah, that's
true. So what I did was I

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broke it up in a four different
sections. So the sections were new,

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things were learning, like stuff they
were able to research that we didn't know,

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stuff we think is wrong, stuff
we got wrong. I don't think

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we wrote anything under stuff we got
wrong. No, I maybe one thing,

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maybe one thing, and generally interesting
things. Ah, yes, because

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there were many generally interesting things.
Yeah. So so okay, so the

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first episode. So the other thing
was when we told the story, we

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told it in such a way that
we broke it up into like the first

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episode was about the most recent murder
of Sharon Right, and the case was

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Sharon Mike, and so we we
kind of told that pretty thoroughly, but

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we left. We held some of
it back. We Yeah, we got

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to the part where the detectives realized
that Tom had a history. Yes,

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they started to realize he was sketchy
and and they're like, and the prosecutors

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were like, we're never going to
get a conviction on this guy. You

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have to do more. And they
were like, Okay, we're gonna do

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research. Then a second episode was
like every wife but Becky, Every wife

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but Becky, thank you? So
his first his first wife, fourth and

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fifth lives. Yeah, And then
the third episode was Becky was Becky's story,

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and it was I think it was
important to tell his first wife story

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first to get the context to establish
that he was kind of a sociopath and

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an abuser and a drug dealer and
other bad words. And so I really

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like the way. And then the
third fourth episode was about the Sharon,

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Sharon and Mike's trial, Sharon and
Mike's trial and then the appeal and then

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the second trial. So I am
biased, but I like that structure.

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I don't know who came up with
that structure, but I like that structure.

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Yeah. There, Yeah, I
like that too. I think they

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just told they started they did the
same thing. They started with Sharon,

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and then they went basically through his
through his life's life wife through chronologically and

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then came back to the trial.
So they kind of had the same idea

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as us with that arc. BU
but I feel like they didn't hold anything

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back. No, it was very
strange. It wasn't like they could have

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just made one movie because they didn't
really do like a cliffhangary thing between the

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two episodes, or no episode really
stood on its own. It just kind

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of bled into the next one.
Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I

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mean it was three hours. Yeah, and the other thing. Okay,

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so things that were generally interesting like
oh well, actually let's go back to

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the uh new items were learning,
Like they talked about Eric Tarantino in the

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first episode. Yeah, and they
really leaned in, which was the like

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that's the guy that he hired to
kill Becky his second wife, second wife?

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Why are you telling that so early? Yeah, like you're giving away

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like that's I don't think that's a
good It also gets like muddy because there

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were so many characters and that's like
showing this guy, they're showing this wife

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they're talking, you know, it
was I wouldn't say they were jumping around,

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but like they did carry I would
say they were jumping around carry Tarantino

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through the whole story even I mean, I guess they played Ale in the

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Tarantino really were like the narrators,
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of Tom. Yeah, too much
Tom. And you know what investigating Investigation

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Discovery did that we would never do. I mean not with a case like

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this where the where the criminal has
been convicted technically twice but you know,

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once and then appeal and then again. He we we made it clear that

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he was guilty, but Investigation Discovery
seemed to kind of go with was this

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coincidence? Maybe they actually started with
that bad luck? Was it? I

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mean, they are we exaggerating?
Are we reading too much into this?

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Like they kind of tried who wasn't
in the first episode that they were talking

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to interviewing, and he was like
they had they had already made up their

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minds that he was guilty before they
even charged him. Oh yeah, I

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don't remember who said that. But
also like Broye, you know what prosecutors

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do Prosecutors think you're guilty before the
thing starts, Like that's their job.

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They have to believe you're guilty because
they're prosecuting. You think it was one

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of his attorneys, but yeah,
yeah, And we did get some insight

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into the attorneys from the second trial
that we didn't have before in the third

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episode, and the defense attorneys,
I guess we talk about them. They

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also claimed that Mike in the first
episode was semi homeless, but that was

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not our understanding at all. I
mean, he looked like I understood that

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he lived with his uncle. Yeah, I don't, which is not semi

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homeless. Yeah, and I don't
think there was any again, there's no

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need to describe him as that,
isn't it. Yeah, as a semi

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homeless man. No, Yeah,
And there was a lot of talk about

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Mike and how he was down on
his luck and yeah, and I did

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not like that. I didn't like
it either. I mean Mike did kill

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Sharon, yes, absolutely, I
mean Tom to set it up. Yeah,

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he was manipulated into him. Yeah, he basically hired him as a

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hit man with no intent of ever
paying him to do it, learned him

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to be a hit man, and
then and then killed him. And like

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tied a little He felt like he
tied a little bow on that one.

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He was just going to go on
in his life. No, I'm sorry,

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Tom yep. And we also noticed
that twenty percent into episode number one,

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they revealed that he had six wives
and four of them were dead.

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Yeah, and what we thought that
that was kind of like the the thing

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we kind of held back at the
end of our first episode. We thought

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that was like the Yeah, we
thought that made it more interesting. But

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I mean, I don't know,
it's like, I don't know. I

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even have in my notes that they're
jumping back and forth to begin to the

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beginning of the story and yeah,
the story. Yeah, they really were.

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And they had like some of her
friends also as interviews. Yeah,

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it was kind of all over the
place. Yeah, not to say that

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it wasn't good and those interviews weren't
compelling, but I mean, we studied

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this case. We worked hard on
it. We wrote, we wrote episodes,

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and we recorded episodes on it,
so we knew it really well.

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And I did wonder how maybe how
does it how did it go? How

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would it be for someone who wasn't
as familiar with the case, I'd be

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curious. It was confusing as to
who Deirdre is or who Yeah, you

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know these people are. But when
people showed up, we were like,

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oh look, it's scared exactly.
They also, I mean I already mentioned

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how gross Tom is gross being an
understatement, but they I really felt Investigation

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Discovery worked too hard to try and
make him seem cool. Yeah, they're

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like playing, you know, playing
I have a note in here. It's

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like playing upbeat rock and roll music. Yeah. Yeah. Letting him brag

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about his past relationships, like how
many girlfriends he had, He was like,

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so exploits so immature, Like I
don't think men these days behave that

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way. But he had to brag
about, you know, all that stuff,

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which is just it's offensive. It's
disgusting. You know. He claimed

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that he was like a drummer,
and he just all this bravado that Like

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I feel like he said sex,
drugs, and rock and roll like a

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thousand times in that documentary. I'm
just a rock and roll guy. Yeah,

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grow up. And then he he's
not said about Sharon too. Oh

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she went to Woodstock? How cool
is that? Man? Yeah? Like,

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god, why would I hurt her? She went to Woodstock? Yeah?

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OK, because you're a sociopath.
I don't know why you tell me

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you're the sociopath. I almost I
felt sad for his first wife because she

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didn't want her face shown in the
documentary. She participated, and she did,

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she did participate, but she didn't
want her face shown. I hope

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she's not getting harassed because she definitely
doesn't deserve it. Yeah, but they

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didn't include anything in the documentary like
we had included about some of the abuse

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she endured that story. We told
about how he threw the oatmeal. That

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was like a big part of the
story. And they never mentioned the oatmeal.

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And they never mentioned how she had
to relocate to Washington State to get

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away from him. Yep, even
though they shared the two kids. Yep.

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They never talked about how she was
friends with Becky, his second wife,

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and how they were keeping in touch, and how she was very worried

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for Becky. It was I mean, it was almost like they told it

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in a kind of a pro Tom
like they framed it in a pro tom

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ish way. Like when that second
episode started and they had that legal analyst,

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Beth Karison, and she was just
saying, like he was pre lawn,

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he was so smart, Beth.
I mean like she was just talking

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about like they had the attorneys saying
like how he was so smart and how

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and they were talking about how he
had an alibi for when Becky was killed,

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but he really didn't. I know, I thought better. I mean,

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he had an alibi, but it
was a terrible alibi that didn't hold

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up at all. Yeah, he
thought about it for more than one second.

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It was and it was an insane
miscarriage of justice that he was able

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to fool the jury. Yeah,
like to getting an acquittal. Yeah,

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I don't think we talked about that
a little bit. I believe that he

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testified in his own defense, but
he was somehow, you know, he

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was afraid that he wasn't going to
get a fair trial in Utah because he

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was, you know, selling drugs
and he had this like rock and roll

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lifestyle blah blah blah, was cheating
on all his wives, blah blah blah,

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and so he thought he wasn't getting
a fair But you know, the

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man takes the stand and he says, oh, yeah, I was having

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an argument with Becky. I told
her that I was like that she should

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just go ahead and you know,
kill herself and then I left and went

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to a bar and got drunk and
then got pulled over for a DUI.

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But I didn't kill her because obviously
I was busy getting drunk and going to

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my mom's house and the mom vouched
for him, and then he got pulled

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over. You could tell he was
building an alibi because he was like,

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oh, I went to a bar
and forty people saw me at that bar,

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so I definitely didn't kill her.
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it's a tragedy that And she was
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she was killed on a waterbed,
and the waterbed heater was turned off,

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so the waterbed was very cold,
right, So the it was difficult to

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determine exactly when she had died.
Yeah, her time of death couldn't be

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determined within yeah, you know,
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his alibi didn't at all cover the
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two, one really interesting thing we learned

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was from Gaina and how she had
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rings. She had them removed and
had them replaced with cubic Zirconia's and then

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gave the rings back to him and
then pawned the real diamonds. I was

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like, you go, Gaina,
that was amazing. I was so happy.

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She was like, I thought that
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we told the story, we told
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the gun and the gun went off, and she knew that he was trying

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to kill her and make it look
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heard before was Tom, this is
how probably, like you said, these

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are new interviews, Tom claimed that
he purposely was shooting into some two by

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sixes or something like. He was
purposely fired. He wasn't cleaning the gun.

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He was purposely firing it. Yeah, in the house near her.

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What is that? That is just
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You think that exonerates you because you
were Oh no, I didn't an accident

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go off. I was purposely shooting
it. Yeah. It's good that she

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got out, It's really good.
Yeah, she was lucky. Oh,

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this was a part. I made
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out. There was a weird part
where his mom so his Francis was his

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fourth wife. So after Gaana and
they broke up, Francis was her fifth

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wife. Sorry, Francis was the
woman who had the heart condition and then

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had surgery and then mysteriously passed away
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after yea, even though she was
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mom he was He's just saying,
like, you know, how he was

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so in love with her and how
she was so good for him, and

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blah blah blah. And then his
mom said that he could either be a

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lawyer or be in love and get
married to Francis, and he chose to

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marry Francis because he was so in
love. On what planet are those the

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two choices? You can either be
a lawyer or be married. Well,

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I mean, no lawyers are married, so that's really true. I guess

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that's why no lawyers are married,
because they have to choose whether they want

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to go to law school or they
want It's insane. God, yeah,

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and he it was also strange that
they said that his I guess it was.

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Defense attorneys claimed that the or the
prosecution claimed that the wives didn't know

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about these insurance policies, the life
insurance policies he had taken out on them,

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which I think is very strange.
That is strange. I don't know

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why they would claim that. That
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how true that is. For the
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and so this seems like appropriate business. Yeah they were. They were like

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that, like, he's taking out
life insurance policies on them, but not

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on himself for their benefit if he
were to die. At least, we

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have not heard one shread of evidence
that at least he took out policies on

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himself and them, And he would
be like, that is what a husband

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and wife do. Yeah, you'd
be like, or a married couple do.

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That's a normal thing. And we
also found out that he took out

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I don't know if he took it
out or he tried to take it out

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on his girlfriend, the one that
he was Lizzy. Lizzy. Yeah,

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who gets a life insurance policy on
their girlfriend? I mean that's a bad

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sign. That's a red flag.
Yeah. I feel like that's the rist

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flag I've ever seen. Like,
that's going to be a am I the

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asshole read out on to whatever too
hot takes or something. Somebody's going to

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write in that on Reddit about him. I the assholever taking out a life

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insurance policy my girlfriend I've been dating
for two months. Yes you are,

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that's a red flag. They There
was so much that we included about Tom's

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relationship with Eric Tarantino because that was
so key in understanding how Tom was able

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to groom Mike to be a hit
man. And they didn't talk about any

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of that sensational stuff. I almost
felt bad that we included it, because

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it does feel sensational. But I
mean Eric said that he like Tom beat

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him severely. Like Eric says so
many times in the investigation discovery that he

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was afraid of Tom. He was
afraid for his life. Well, we

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included it because it's important that you
understand that it. Yeah, Eric Tarantino

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didn't just like go along with it. He was terrified, Yeah, that

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Tom was going to kill him.
Yeah, but they didn't know he was

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only nineteen. I know that was
something that I don't think really registered with

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me when we did it, that
he was that young. And yeah,

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but they didn't talk about Tom beating
him. Of all the stuff they included,

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the did include that and They also
didn't include the weird fact that he

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used to sing that song, that
Rod Stewart song about murder her. Maybe

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they were like, this is too
much. They did. Eric did talk

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about how he was afraid of Tom, but but in the documentary it's like

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you you don't know why, Yeah, why you're so afraid of him?

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Yeah, that's true, and that
should have been explained. One of the

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reasons why I was looking forward to
watching the Investigation Discovery documentary was because Tom's

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third wife, Leona or Lee as
he called her, there's nothing out there

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about her, and I found some
information, found very little, a couple

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more pictures of her and the type
of cancer that she passed away from.

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But he had nothing good to say
about her. No, he has said

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some weird, bizarre things about her, But he says weird things about all

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his wives. Yeah, things that
if I think, if your spouse said

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about you, you would be offended, even if even though the spouse is

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pretending to think that that's coop elementary, it's actually deeply offensive. Yeah,

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it's so. It's it's just it's
a twisted mess to hear him talk about

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any of his wives. Yeah,
it's also really there was so much direct

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quotes from his mom where his mom
A lot of interviews with his mom too,

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Yeah, where she she really vouched
for him. I mean we knew

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that she vouched hard for him,
but like I was his alibi, there's

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no way he could have done this. Yeah, France has told me she

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wanted to have a lot of insurance
and she wanted Tom to raise her daughter.

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Like really, I mean maybe,
but I don't Okay, whatever you

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say, I don't know. And
all the research we did, she seemed

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quite like quite the enabler. Yeah, well, I mean like it did

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Francis really do that? I mean, come on, But it was cool

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that they put such a spotlight on
Eric Tarantino as the hero, as he

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was like the star witness and the
trial. I mean, I noticed that

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he's even been wearing like a Superman
shirt in the interviews with me, He's

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wearing a Superman shirt, which is
kind of cool. He also was drinking

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coffee out of a mug and the
mug is tilted, but I know the

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mug says get shit done or something
to that effect. Like it's like like

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they made they they tried too hard
to make Tom look cool in my opinion,

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but Eric Tarantino also looked really cool. Yeah, and yeah, I'm

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just so glad Tom's in jail.
I know. There were some really moving

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interviews with Mike Miller's brother and sister
that we did not have obviously access to

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when we did ours, but I
would have liked to have included, because

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you know, Mike had a family. I mean, Mike did kill Sharon,

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but Mike was murdered and his death
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and they were, you know,
on the like they were. They

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wanted justice as well. They wanted
Tom to be convicted for the murder of

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their brother. So there were some, like I said, great interviews with

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them, yep. And they had
an interview with one of the jurors and

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that was really insightful interesting. Yeah, we never saw that that was something

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they got, yeah, which I
thought was, well, it was so

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good, that really added so much
to the story. Yep. So that's

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where their big budget came in.
At least they got interviews with some of

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these people and Dino Kelly. They
didn't really talk about Dino Kelly. He

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was like the star of our podcast, I know, and he was the

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star of the case. Really he
was the one that stuck with it for

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ten years, him and his partner, Yeah, for for a decade,

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more than a decade, fifteen years, yep. And they chased down everything.

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And the only time he had appeared
was in the third episode as the

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final witness in the second trial,
right yep, yep. Or I mean

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they showed him a little bit in
the uh in the walk Strey video,

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which they didn't really show very much
of. Yeah, but you can't.

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I mean, if you're if you're
trying to build some sort of tension and

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you show that whole video, you
can't. There's no tension there because you're

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it's incredibly obvious that he is entirely
making stuff up. And you can also

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tell that he is high as a
kite. Oh yeah, we did,

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yeah that, And I did wonder
if he had done that on purpose,

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like to have some kind of plausible
deniability in the end or whatever. Awesome,

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I don't because I don't know.
I wish he just I mean,

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I guess, like it's fine,
he made his own mistakes, but you

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know, it gave like a reason
for people say, well, you know,

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of course he didn't get it all
right, He was he was medicated.

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Yeah, that was frustrating. I
made a note of one of my

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one of the parts that I found
the most compelling in the directing the cross

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examination of Dino Kelly by Tom's defense
attorney. So the defense attorney, if

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you all remember that, you know
Mike when Tom shot Mike, Mike wasn't

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wearing the ski mask. We know
that because there were no holes in the

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ski mask, no blood on it. It was just in the corner of

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the garage, right, So the
prosecution theory was Mike Mike's the plan was

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for Mike to kill Sharon, Tom
to come home, Mike to leave,

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and Tom to call the cops.
Right. I think that was the prosecution

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theory. So, of course,
after Sharon was dead, the prosecution theory

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Mike takes off the mask so he
can have a conversation with Tom. He

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doesn't have to hide his face anymore, you know. So the defense attorney's

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like, hey, well, you
know, if the plan was for Mike

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to kill Sharon, why would he
wear a mask at all? Like,

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there's no need to hide who he
is, Like, Sharon's never gonna testify

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against him. And do you know
Kelly said, well, if you're going

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to shoot someone that knows you,
you wouldn't want them to see your face

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when you do it. And I
was like, oh, yeah, that

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explains why why Mike was wearing a
ski mask at all, because I do

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kind of agree with the defense.
Well, you know, why would he

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be hiding his identity for what?
For who? It doesn't it's in contrast

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to your theory. But do you
know Kelly saying like, actually he didn't

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want Sharon to know it was him
because he was friends with her, He

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had had dinner at her house,
he had done work around her house.

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It's actually really kind of scary and
sad to think about. Yep, yeah,

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I don't know. Is there anything
else here to not realize? That's

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what we thought of the Uh.
It was definitely an enjoyable inside. It

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was enjoy it, I'm sorry,
not enjoyable. It was interesting. Interesting.

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Like we said, there was a
lot of not a lot, but

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some good bits of testimony and statements
from people that we knew were involved in

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the case that we had never heard
before, Like Mike's uncle testified that he

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knew that the relationship with something was
up with that relationship with Tom because oh

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he was you know, Mike saying
he's doing work for Tom, but he

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wasn't actually getting any work. He
wasn't making any money. He was just

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like hanging out with him. So
his uncle knew there was something off there.

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Yeah, so that I mean,
it's just like a lot of good

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little bits like that that really added
to the story and made the people,

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you know, the motions of the
people really come through their experience for some

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of them. But we do recommend
you watch it after you listen to our

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podcast. I was gonna say,
if you if you only listen to one

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multi part series about Tom Randolph this
year, yes it should be our podcast,

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Yes, but if you if you
want a little more, which I

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can't imagine you would want, you
should not want that, but if you

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do, yeah, because check out
the investigation Discovery you know it does you

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can see their faces, you can
you know, there's so many pictures of

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his wives, and like I said, some really good information from Eric Tarantino

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and Mike's family that we weren't able
to share when we did they recording.

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But this show is hot. I
saw a headline on the Huffington Post just

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today July twenty second, that it
is the number one show on Max.

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I don't know if that's true number
one. I did not look, but

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I think that's what the headline said. That is inside. I don't know

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if it's like number one True Crime
or if it's just number one altogether,

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but it is. Yes, this
startling docu series is a top is a

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top shows I want to get it
right? Is a top show. It's

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by Caroline Bologna on what. I
hope that people will see the show and

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want more, and they will google
it and they will find our four parts

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here. Yes, that is my
hope for us, because we tried to

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put the victims first and tried to
take some of the focus off of Tom

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because like, screw Tom Man.
Yeah, it's hard to because he is

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a narcissistic sociopath and he loves to
talk about himself. He really does.

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He'll talk to you all day about
how great he is. Oh my god,

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it's so offensive, unbelievable. Well, thanks for hanging in with us

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as we did this kind of break
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