June 17, 2025
The Unexplained Disappearance of Abby Roberts and Phillip Johnson - Swing Shift (FREE Bonus)
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This week on.
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Sins and Survivors, we covered the disappearances of Abby Roberts
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and Philip Johnson that have remained unsolved for more than
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thirteen years. Get ready as we put in a little
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overtime on Swingshift and go behind the scenes into what
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went into making the unsolved disappearance of Abby Roberts and
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Philip Johnson.
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Hello subscribers, Hello subscribers, Welcome back to another Swingshift episode.
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Welcome back, Maga subscribers.
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Thank you for being subscribers.
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Another another episode, another Swingshift.
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What day would this episode be being released? I don't
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even know what day would come out?
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June seventeenth, June.
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Seventeenth, though, I think okay.
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I think that's the day. All right, good times. Thank
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you for doing the research on this one.
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And please share Abby and Phillips missing posters. You were
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saying something about research.
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Yes, thank you for doing the research on this one,
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because I was doing a lot of editing, and I
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didn't get mine done in time, so we had to
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do this one a week earlier.
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Yeah, so yeah, you really busted through this one. You
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did a good job.
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Thank you. This one is really sad.
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Yeah, it really is a little confusing, and.
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And there are definitely some I feel like there are
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some obvious questions and theories that come up that I
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hesitate to even talk about in our swingshift episode.
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Yeah, and I think that's partly what makes ethical true
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crime the challenge, and when you don't want to speculate
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and you want to remember that these are real people.
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These are real people who live in our community.
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Yes, we definitely don't speculate. We don't use somebody of something.
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We mentioned it briefly in the episode where I kind
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of said it vaguely that you know, from our research,
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we could see that the family had lived in the
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community for a long time. I did find an obituary
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for I think your grandfather, but it might have actually
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have been a great grandfather, And just when it listed
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out the children and then the grandchildren and then the
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great grandchildren, I was and said that the person was
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the man had been a resident. I believe of Henderson,
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and I was like, wow, this family's lived here for
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a very long time, and there's a lot of them.
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It is a very large family. So there are neighbors,
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you know, very you know, not that I know, not
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that we know them personally, but not literally. Are not
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literally our neighbors, not to my knowledge. And then the
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fact that their children very likely are you know, in
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our community, and you know they're like teenagers, and you know,
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the kids know how to search up stuff on the Google.
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So you know, you just got to want to be
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cautious about We're always cautious about using the names of
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young people. But by that same token, Abby's been missing
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for thirteen years, Philip's been missing for thirteen years, and
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it's pastime. And like I said in the we said
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in this the episode. The detectives at the time, you know,
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in twenty fifteen, they were like, we're going to retire
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and we hope this gets solved, and you know, it's
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just it's just heartbreaking.
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This is a tough one, Yeah, it really was.
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It blows me away that they just seemingly disappeared into
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thin air, right Like this is one of those cases
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where you you know, like the police always say, you know,
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in the things we watch when they're interviewed, people don't
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just disappear. Human bodies do not just disappear like if
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you if you burn a human body. They are very
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difficult to get rid of unless you work at a crematorium.
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Even then there is.
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Debris.
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And it's not clear they had any enemies or no.
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I mean, there's no mention of any motive against them.
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Maybe the police have something in their files, but it
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seemed like they were they didn't have a lot of leads.
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There wasn't a lot in the in the press about
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about that, no description of any other individuals involved, or
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any other cars or any other locations. They were very
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clearly going through the couple's belongings and trying to trace
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where they had been. Like we talked about how they
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found a receipt for a storage facility, so they went
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and searched the storage facility to try and figure out
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maybe where they had gone. And then they found the
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receipt for a different storage facility, so they went into
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California again and searched and it's just it's it's becoming
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so creepy. The longer we've spent you know, really researching
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and and hearing more for true crime is starting to
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really creep me out. The more and more the the
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whole abandoned car thing like the car being found and
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they're just being no trace of the person. I feel
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like you've covered several several several cases of disappearances Stephen.
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Cocher, Stephen Bradley.
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Actually Stephen Bradley's car was abandoned in like Elsnore, and
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that's actually really close to Paris, California.
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Where the storage place was, Yeah.
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Which kind of gave me like creepy vibes too. I mean,
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California is huge, and like the LA area is just massive.
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It's like no coincidence. But just you know, the more
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we do the work, the more you start to like
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see the coincidences, and it's just, you know, they that
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we've actually know of probably many more cases that if
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we thought about it for longer, of young men disappearing
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in their cars being the thing that's left behind, and
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it's just just sad. And then I did have that
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part in there about Philip's mom. You know, he comes
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by the house, he has the kids. He says, hey,
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will you take care of the kids for me? She's like, hey,
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no problem. She had no idea that that would be
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the last time she saw him. She didn't think it
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was weird that Abby wasn't with him, Like why would
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she think that was weird? And like, you know, Abby's
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coworker was texting with her on October second, So I
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mean it's like, yes, the last time anybody saw them
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together was October twenty ninth. I couldn't find the specifics
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of how and when. I assume they drove together to
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work together. You know, that's probably what the last time
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anybody saw them was. Like they left for work that
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day on September twenty ninth. People saw them leave work together.
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And because they it was specifically said they were in
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their car together when they were seen, I'm just kind
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of guessing that but or somebody saw them leave for
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work together from their house. But you know, I don't
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it seems like Abby was you know, was around, was present,
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was chatting with people on October second, and he dropped
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the kids off on October third, So you know, maybe
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they did have Yeah, who knows, it's so unknowable. I
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don't think, and like we do have evidence that, you know,
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Philip went to the bank on the fourth and the fifth.
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Who knows what that was about.
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It feels like now that you say that, there are
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like a lot of parallels with the Stephen Bradley. I
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guess a lot of disappearances have parallels like that. M
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similar stories. We talked one time about you remember we
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had this conversation where I don't know where we were,
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but we were like, if we disappeared, this would be
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the fiction that people came up at.
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Why we disappeared? Where was that?
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Oh? It was when we had when our flight got
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canceled and we had to travel, Yes, and we had
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we did very odd things in order to get home.
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Oh my god, you want to tell a story.
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I feel like we told it on Swing Shift once before.
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Let's tell it again. It's a fun story.
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I don't see if I can if I can remember
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the specifics of it.
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It was the was it the trip to Tucson? Tucson, Okay.
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So we flew to Tucson and we our kid was
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looking at the University of Ours.
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And we rented a car to get around the city.
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Right, So we flew there on.
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That frontier Frontier and then you know, frontier flies from
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Las Vegas like once a week so or something. Yeah,
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and we rented a car while we were there, but
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we rented.
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It, oh, from the Tucson airport. No, No, we flew
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through Phoenix.
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We flew through Phoenix. So we flew into Phoenix. Then
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we'd rented a car there because it was much cheaper
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to flying in Phoenix. Because it was a big weekend
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in Tucson. Drove, we rented and we did this all
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through Expedia because we were like, we're gonna save a
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little money and were and drove Phoenix, drove Phoenix to
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Tucson and we went to Eg's.
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Yeah, this is okay, very bizarre story. But this is
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the second time this week that Eg's has come up
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in conversation, which is very weird.
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Really Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be weird if you
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lived in It.
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Wouldn't be weird if we lived in Tucson. But it
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is weird that.
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Right, we don't. We don't have Egs here.
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Shout out to, Shout out to. So we drove down
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and we did the college stuff and then we went
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to the airport and we were like, all right, cool,
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we we're gonna home. Now we're going We're gonna go home,
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so we drove, We drove back to no.
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We were gonna what were we going to do?
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We woke up in the morning to drive back to
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Phoenix to go, and we found out our flight was
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counseled yes, So we were like, okay, what do we
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want to do?
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So we were like, well, the salt option was to
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just drive.
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Home, right, because we we both have work and we
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didn't want to spend another two I think we'd have
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to leave on Tuesday, and we didn't want to spend
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another two night or whatever, another night in Tucson or
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or Phoenix, or buy.
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Tickets and go to school.
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So we just decided, forget it, We'll take the credit.
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Because Frontier offered us full refund plus one hundred dollars.
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I think it was something outrageous, and I was like,
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I'm just gonna take.
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This from four flights on their airline front.
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Which funny enough ended up getting candled anyway, never again.
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But we uh so then we were like, okay, well
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we'll just drive home. We'll just we'll just convert this
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car rental, this one, this Tucson car rental to a
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one way rental, and we'll just drive.
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It so we could not do that. No, they would
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not let us change it because we rented on Expedia.
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We couldn't rent the car in Phoenix. We had to
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rent the car in Tucson.
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Maybe, yes, that's right. They wouldn't rent us a one
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way from Phoenix to Vegas. We had to do a
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one way from Tucson. So we had to rent a
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car from the Tucson Airport to take us one way.
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So I rented that car and me and our son
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got in that car. But we still had to return
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our regular rental car to the Phoenix airport. So we
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drove in tandem to the Phoenix Airport for you to
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drop off our original rental car, and then you got
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in the Tucson rental car and then we drove home.
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But we were like, if anything happens to us on
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this trip, everyone is going to have to like it's
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going to do like some forensic accounting and be like
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why did these dodos like rent these rent three what
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were they doing? Why did they rent these cars? Why
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did why did they go to two different egs? Why
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were they not together?
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We went to we had a miscommunication, ended.
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Up a two different we're not together. We were not
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together because we were doing too like you were going, Yeah,
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you had to go return the car. You were like
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just ahead of us because I think you had to
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fill it up with gas or whatever.
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I don't remember together in Phoenix, scouse.
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So then I took like the sky Harbor skytrain from
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the car rental.
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Had to go all the way to rent the car,
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and I just waited in like regular pickup passenger pick
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Park, and then it was a five hour drive to.
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Last days five hour drive to let's see.
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Similar. Yes, people would have been confused a similar thing. Oh,
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