July 15, 2025

Deadly Domestic Violence in Vancouver: Meshay & Layla (PNW Haunts & Homicides)

Deadly Domestic Violence in Vancouver: Meshay & Layla (PNW Haunts & Homicides)
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Season 2

As we look to take some well-earned time off and build up a nice backlog for season 3, we'll be bringing you the occasional feed swap from one of the many podcasts we love in the ethical true crime space.

Today, we have two for you from PNW Haunts & Homicides. In the first, they cover the tragic case of Meshay Melendez and Layla Stewart, and that's what we bring you today. A reminder if you or anyone you know is experiencing domestic violence, please avail yourself of the resources, or share the resources we have listed at https://sinspod.co/resources

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Please pay them a visit at https://sinspod.co/pnw

Here are their show notes!

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In March 2023, Meshay Melendez and her daughter Layla Stewart disappeared from Vancouver, Washington. Despite multiple red flags and an active no-contact order, Meshay’s abusive ex-boyfriend, Kirkland Warren, was free—with devastating consequences. In this heart-wrenching episode, we uncover the tragic story of Meshay Melendez and her 7-year-old daughter, Layla Stewart, whose lives were cut short. This case shines a light on the cracks in the system when it comes to domestic violence protections and the urgent need for systemic change and nuanced dialogue that produce real change.
Join us as we trace the chilling timeline:

  • Meshay’s turbulent history with Warren, including prior domestic violence.
  • Court decisions that left Warren free despite extreme risk assessments.
  • The heartbreaking discovery of Meshay and Layla’s bodies.
  • Warren’s shocking criminal past, his manipulation of the legal system, and the final sentencing.

If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE (7233), text "START" to 88788, or visit thehotline.org.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sins-survivors-a-las-vegas-true-crime-podcast--6173686/support.

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Hello, Sins and Survivors listeners. As we get closer to

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wrapping up our second season, we're taking a little time

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to recharge and gear up for some incredible stories in

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season three. So over the next few weeks we'll be

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dropping the occasional surprise episode and a few special feed swaps.

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Today, we're bringing you something a little different, a special

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feed swap episode from our friends over at PNW Haunts

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and Homicides, Caitlin and Cassie. They cover true crime and

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haunted history from the Pacific Northwest, and their storytelling is thoughtful, funny,

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and well researched. The episode you're about to hear covers

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the heartbreaking story of miche Melendez and her seven year

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old daughter, Laylah Stewart. It's the story of two lives

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cut short and a case that should have been prevented.

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It's yet another example of how red flags can be missed,

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how systems often fail victims of domestic violence and just

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how urgent this issue really is. Cassie and Caitlin walked

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through the timeline, the history of the man responsible, and

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the many points where this could have gone differently. It's heavy,

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but powerful, and an important reminder that these aren't just stories,

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they're people. When you're done, head over to sinspod dot co,

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slash PNW, or look for them wherever you get your podcasts.

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It isn't just a true crime story. It's a timeline

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of heartbreak, a story of a mother, a daughter, and

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a system that seemed to have every opportunity to prevent

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their deaths and didn't. What happened to them is horrifying,

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but what's equally chilling is how much could have been prevented.

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We tell ourselves that we have systems in place to

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help prevent these tragedies in our communities. Hey Cassie, Hey Caitlin, Hi,

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creepy people. Hey, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides where

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we chat about true crime, also haunted stuff, you know,

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kind of whatever we're feeling. Comes Saturday at about three o'clock.

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Holy shit, Wow, any who's all and where? In the

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Pacific Northwest. It's the PNW if you're nasty. So you

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gotta tell them what the PNW means. I just won't know.

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They just they How could they not.

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Go through the whole episode and just get to the

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end and learn nothing and they'll just be like the

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whole time, I was like, what does P ANDW even mean?

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Yeah, that's honestly, it's it's one of the greater issues

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facing facing, facing, facing our nation. Two day, our country,

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our country. Forget about those deportations, it's the pay in W.

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That's what's on everyone's mind. I just really want to

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know what that stands for.

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Killing God, you gotta stop getting so motherfucking political.

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Honestly, it's probably not going to stop. Please you, just you.

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It's almost like we actually spend a lot of time

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and money creating the show, and then the content that

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you consume from it is free, so you know, it's.

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Your choice unless you join our Patreon. Yeah that's right,

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and then you get add for you and then because

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That's true, it's true, and that is a hell of

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approach to let me tell you, I want to give

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us real money. Yeah, as someone who just paid the

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price for YouTube videos of pronunciations for the most random

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things earlier today. Honestly, yeah, we paid YouTube a lot

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of money with our ears. Are your holes? Oh boy? Oh? Bullieve? Well, anyways,

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so I guess should we? Oh? We we forgot the

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one thing? What do we know?

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At the end of our episodes, we do a little

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tear out the end of our episode for a little

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deeper insight into our topic.

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Are you ready to get into a story? I guess so, Okay, great,

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I'm here. That makes one of us. Well, hopefully you

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guys are ready. You're here too. We're all in this together.

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Let's go. Oh boy, did you know that the city

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of Portland hasn't recorded a single homicide this month? And

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as we record this it is April. I did not

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know that. Well, that's as of April twenty first this year. Anyway,

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So April twenty sixth twenty five, at three eight in

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the month of March, seven people were killed in Portland,

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a total of ten so far for the calendar year.

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Last summer, our neighboring state to the north was reporting

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a downward trend sort of the state of Washington not Canada.

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Just to be clear, they are not actually a state

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as a recording, they are still very much a nation

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independent from the US. Round of applause, applause. Okay, it

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is and always will be the Gulf of Mexico. I

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was literally thinking the same thing. Weird, yeah, okay. The

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Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs published its annual

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data on crimes reported statewide for twenty twenty three. Their

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report revealed that there were a total of three hundred

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and seventy six murders recorded throughout the state of Washington

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last year three three seventy seven, three hundred and seventy six.

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Why you just said it seventy seven.

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But still it's like like one a day, over one

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of how many days were there in a year? Three

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hundred and sixty five, Yes, like over one a day though,

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that's just crazy.

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Yep. This represented a five point eight percent drop from

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the previous year, which seems positive until compared to another statistic.

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It also represents an eighty one point one percent increase

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over figures dating back to twenty nineteen, So eighty one

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zero point one percent increase reported in twenty twenty three

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compared to twenty nineteen. Wow, what is happening? Well, I

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think there's one thing that was happening in that span

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that explains a lot. Oh am, I like forgetting something big,

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the great Panini. Oh oh well.

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Duh okay, Cassie, I just like try to put that

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out of my head.

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Yes, because as we know, twenty twenty was in fact

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the longest decade ever. H horrific and sad and yeah.

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And when I say twenty twenty I don't mean the

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decade twenty twenty to future date twenty thirty. I mean

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twenty twenty the year. The standalone year felt like an

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entire decade.

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Was this an increase in murders though, or just deaths

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in general?

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But like this is what this is homicide? Peopleill be

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COVID murdering out there. Yeah, well think about it. Shelter

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in place, which was very necessary. But if you are

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living with someone who is violent, that was one of

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those like really tough things about it. Yeah. Violent offenses

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rose steadily in twenty twenty and hit their peak in

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twenty twenty two in terms of violent crime overall. The

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month where these so called crimes against persons occurred was May,

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right around the corner. May the fourth be with you. Oh.

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I've always heard April showers bring May flowers, but apparently

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that's not all. Notably, February was the month where such

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crimes were the least frequent. Valentine's Day, I guess I

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just assume that winter kind of like you know, the

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summer heat brings out the worst and a lot of people.

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That's all included in a super non murdery way in

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my case. But no, everyone's bitch just feeling the low.

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But Valentine's Day, is it? I do have a question.

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Is it just because there's like a couple of days

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missing that makes it the least could be?

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Could be? I think that's a very valid point, to

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be honest, those couple of days, anything could happen, you know. Yeah.

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I skimmed over quite a few sections of this report,

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and it breaks down a lot of different statistics related

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to crime. Obviously, that's the whole point in the state

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of Washington for twenty twenty three, and it's very interesting

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to see the data points. Certainly, I don't know. I

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have thoughts and feelings, obviously. I know it's weird. It's like,

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that's why I have this fucking microphone or something. I

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don't know, who knows. Why are we here today? We're

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covering a story that's as devastating as it is important

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to tell. It's a case that highlights what happens when

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warning signs are ignored and victims fall through the cracks

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of a system meant to protect them. It's the kind

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of story that makes you want to sit with the

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weight of it for a minute, a moment, maybe just

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the one, because it's pretty heavy. We'll be walking through

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the lives and tragic deaths of Miche Melendez and her

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seven year old daughter, Laylah Stewart Layelah, Laylah. I love

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that name. I know this is not an easy story,

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but it's one that matters, and I think I hope

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that everybody know this applies to every story that I

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talk about. But it isn't just a true crime story.

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It's a timeline of heartbreak, a story of a mother,

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a daughter, and a system that seemed to have every

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opportunity to prevent their deaths and didn't. What happened to

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them is horrifying, but what's equally chilling is how much

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could have been prevented. We tell ourselves that we have

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systems in place to help prevent these tragedies in our communities.

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Let's start at the beginning. Miche Melendez was twenty seven.

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She was a mother, a daughter, and a friend. Lailah Stewart.

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Was bright, funny, with her whole life ahead of her.

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I mean she was seven years old, so literally her

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whole life ahead of her.

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I feel like seven's like a fun age. They start

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to get like their own little personality, like for real.

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Yeah yeah, And she definitely seemed like she had a

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really fun personality. The morning of March twelfth, twenty twenty three,

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was the last time Miche and Layla were seen alive

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before both vanished. The last person they were seen with

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was Kirkland C. Warren, a man that Miche had a

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complicated relationship with. They stopped by a friend's house on

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Northeast Lewett Loop. That friend told police that Warren dropped

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Layla off there temporarily before leaving again. When they came

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back about three hours later, Miche well she was passed

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out in the front passenger seat of Warren's Dodge Charger.

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At least that's what he said. The friend said she

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looked unconscious. It was a brief interaction. Warren just went

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into the home, picked up Leila, and then drove off

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and that was the last time anyone saw either of them.

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I feel like you should be going to a hospital

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if someone is unconscious in your car.

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No, the consensus was that he was just trying to

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pass it off, like, oh, she's just like hungover. Okay,

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that's that was the the vibe. She was just passed out. Okay.

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I'm thinking like like fate, like she's episode yeah, and

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you're just like picking up the dot. No, like go

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to the hospital, right.

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Okay, Okay, if she's just like passed out from drinking

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or something, right, not as concerning, but this is still.

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Yeah, I would say, yeah, pretty early in the morning

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for yeah, yeah, well, well I've been drunk in the morning.

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I mean, sure, who hasn't Probably people that don't drink.

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But you know, now, here's what you need to know

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about Kirkland, see Warren. Other than that, I developed a

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nickname for him, and I don't think it's particularly clever,

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but I had fun with it. I can't wait to

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hear it. Soggy hot Dog Kirkland. Do they have soggy

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hot dogs? Well, what's it? Called cost Costco. No, he's

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a soggy hot dog.

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I would never get a hot dog there. It's all

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eat chicken bake. What do you go there for chicken?

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Ban? We are you getting a hot who's getting a

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hot dog? Who are you? Yeah? Anyways, he was a

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man with a documented history of violence, a pending murder

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charge in Arkansas. In Arkansas, so he moved Sure did yeah?

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Wonder why? Yeah? I know, you know it's weird. Wait

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can you if they're what are you going to leave?

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The state begs the question, doesn't it Yeah? It's almost like,

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don't we have systems in place for this? I have questions?

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Uh huh yeah, I bet Yeah. Also, there was an

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active no contact order from the court. This didn't come

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out of nowhere. This started years ago. November twenty seventh,

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twenty seventeen, Warren shot Curtis Urkhart in the head with

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a twenty two caliber pistol. He later admitted to the shooting,

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telling police it was self defense. He dumped the body

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in a ditch on December twelfth. He was arrested on

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December thirteenth. He posted bond and walked free.

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I can't get the words out because I'm just so

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very confused.

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Yeah. Yeah, so it turns out you actually can very

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easily jump bond and move to a different state. Uh

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when they like when they let you out on bond.

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But but murder, murder, you killing, and you dumped a body.

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M you see, which he actually had admitted to. He's like,

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never denied that I killed the guy, never denied that

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I tampered with the forensic evidence related to the corpse.

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I'm just saying it's self defense.

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I feel like it can be self defense, but like

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it can't be both, Like this is one of those

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things where two things can't be true, Like you can't

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try to cover up your self defense murder. Like if

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it's self defense, you call the fucking police and be like,

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I killed someone.

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Great, No, it looks really bad and how bad?

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How do you?

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How do you? How do you like them out? Yeah?

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I feel like maybe in that situation, maybe we hold

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on to him for a minute, just you know, get

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open in our paws.

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Yeah.

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Fast forward to Vancouver, Washington in twenty twenty, so this

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is literally three years later. He shouldn't be there, He

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shouldn't even be there. No, he sure shouldn't, And yet

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here we are. In twenty twenty, Warren was investigated for

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possessing a stolen firearm, which doesn't seem like a red

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flag for somebody who already has been murder charges. He

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was arrested for this. Investigated. Investigated, Okay, Investigated is the

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is the word that all of my source material used.

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I hear words wrong sometimes, sorry, guys, no, no, And I

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think sometimes in your brain you go investigated, and then

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you think like, well, surely they rest well, surely because

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he's he's murdered somebody and he has a cot, they'll

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call me surely. Uh, Okay. In twenty twenty one, he

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lied on a firearm application stating that he wasn't under indictment.

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We already know. He was getting back to twenty twenty three,

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getting back to twenty twenty three, which is the future

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from you know, the present future. Yeah, I know the

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present future. He was facing active domestic violence charges stemming

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from a shooting at Miche's apartment back in December. Whoa.

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It took until February for law enforcement to corroborate her

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story with other witnesses, but later that same month, Miche recants.

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Oh no, he got his little meaty claws into he

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didn't he.

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I think that feels safe to assume, and actually I

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don't really even have to assume. She says she made

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it up, blaming mental health and drug issues, and at

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this point she pleads for Warren to be arrested. Investigators

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note the shift as suspicih and despite her protest, Warren

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was arrested. March second, Well that's good at least YEP.

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March third, he appears in court facing domestic violence, assault,

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drive by shooting, harassment, and possession of a stolen firearm.

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A risk assessment gives him a thirty one on a

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scale that only goes to eighteen. It's actually it's it's

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gonna get worse. So I don't know whether to let

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you process or how does that even happen? Though, if

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it's only constance, right, I think it books the question.

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It's confusing and scales horseshit. Yeah, I didn't want to salmon.

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Prosecutors say he is an extreme risk to Miche. They

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ask for one hundred thousand dollars bail and it's grant

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and no contact order is issued. On the very same

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day he's released, Warren calls Miche twice from jail. What's

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no contact mean from jail? You're still okay? Honestly, as

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infuriating as that is, it's like, great, stay stupid. This

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will be used in a court of law. Right later,

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he says there is no way I'm going back to Arkansas.

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I mean I wouldn't come back there either, but you

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know other places, sure, no. But I think it's important

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that he specifically said there's no way I'm going back

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to Arkansas, which, you know, if if the call was

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monitored in real time, that would have been like, what

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what about Arkansas?

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But because I kill someone there and they want to,

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you know, put me on trial for it. Yeah, for

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some reason, they let me out.

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Yeah, Warren didn't want to go back to Arkansas, not

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even a little. In jail house phone calls to miche

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he blamed her for his problems, demanded she figure out

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how to get the domestic violence charges dropped, and made

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it clear he was spiraling. And he posts bail and

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is released March sixth. March six this is three days later.

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Wow wow. Warren appears in court again for violating the

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no contact order. Police ask for GPS monitoring. The judge

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sets ten thousand dollars bail and approves the monitor, but

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it's never applied. Why which is why all of my

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source material states with such disdain that this man was

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not under GPS monitoring. March seventh, the case is just missed,

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and March eighth, he walks free again. Like, I just don't.

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Understand how this could happen multiple times to somebody.

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I mean, it's happened before, but yeah, yeah, like I

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just don't get it. Yeah, it continues to not make sense,

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the math not mathing.

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You know what else doesn't make sense. My fucking wine

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glass is empty. Oh oh damn, mine's almost empty too.

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All of this feels ominous in light of the fact

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that no one had seen or heard from Mische and

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Laila recently and such a short time after his release.

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I'm scared for them. I mean, you already know ultimately

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how this ends, and it's still kind of like what's

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gonna happen.

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Sometimes I like to pretend I don't know what's gonna

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happen in the end, and I just like to live.

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In the moment. Mm hmmm, uh okay, Well, well, the

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following moments are moments that you may feel less like

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inhabiting okay days past. It was Mische's mother that reported

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the missing on March eighteenth, six days after they disappeared

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and just ten days after warn was released. That same day,

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she found Mische's car parked near the Lewett Loop home

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of their friend. That's less than a mile from the

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apartment that she shared with her seven year old daughter

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in the Springfield Meadows complex.

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Oh, I don't know why that sounds so cute? In

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Springfield Meadows? Can I hold onto that just like for

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a second longer?

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Inside their apartment empty except for their dog, Doggie, Doggy.

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I think doggie was okay. Okay, Yeah, I don't. I

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don't have a lot of addition information about the dog.

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You just have to because doggie. I I hope the

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doggy was okay. Yeah, I think the doggy was okay.

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The very next day, March nineteenth, Warren was arrested at

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his own home on Northeast one hundred and ninth Avenue.

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Police charged him with multiple offenses, tampering with a witness,

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violating no contact orders, and more. But when investigators searched

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his Dodge charger, they found something much worse. Worse than

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a Dodge charger. I think I think, yes, worse than

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a Dodge charger, but the contents were also worse. Yeah,

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in the front and back seats there was blood twenty

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two caliber shell casings. They also recovered children's clothing that

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matched what Layla had last been seen wearing, and Missche's

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purse with her id still inside. I don't like the clothing, Nope,

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and you're gonna like it a lot less. Some additional

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details about our timeline. March eleventh, Miche, Layla, and Warren

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stay at a friend's home. Early the next morning, the

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friend sees Mischee passed out in the passenger seat, so

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this is the day they went missing. That morning, she

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is unclothed from the waist down. Did the friend know

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or yep? The friend this is their reporting.

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Okay, wow, that would be like hm hmm, well like

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to see which is odd.

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But as we know, Warren collects Layla and they drive off.

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The following day is later identified as the date that

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the mother and daughter went missing. Just the day before,

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Miche's mother reports her daughter and grandchild missing because they

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missed a regularly scheduled video call, and Arkansas judge provokes

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Warren's bond. In the twenty seventeen case. Holy shit, so

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he's just literally been running wild across the countryside for

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literal years. Yeah, why did Arkansas do that? Unclear? Okay,

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I'm like, did they hear about that? Like, how did

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they hear about this? I don't point there was like

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cooperation between law enforcement of Arkansas and the state of Washington.

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I don't know at the exact point where those dots

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were connected, but uh, I have to assume that feels

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like maybe, well that's.

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Great, Like I feel like that's really good for them

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to be in contact about this man.

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I mean, granted, Miche and Layla hadn't officially been reported

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missing at that point. This is the day before they

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are reported missing, right.

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But he got into some shenanigans before that, that's correct, Yes,

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not good shenanigans.

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No, someone does not have the luck of the Irish,

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and I'm glad he doesn't deserve any leprechaun magic. No,

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he doesn't, not at all. When law enforcement performs a

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wellness check on the eighteenth, there's no sign of them.

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They're like weird, so they're like being reported missing and

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the wellness check says, oh oopsies, they may actually be

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Tot's missing. So missing yea. This next part really drives

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home some upsetting facts. First, is this man Hudini. He

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is constantly being released, seemingly by magic. Make it makes sense?

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Who is this? On March twentieth, prosecutors ask for either

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no bail or for five hundred thousand dollars. Man. This

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whole money and bail thing afore you.

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Talk about it, it's pretty up setting.

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The more I don't like it. And while I would

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really love to go diving down the rabbit hole that is,

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you know, the classiest system of oppression so predominant in

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our legal system, I'm going to keep on moving.

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It's just obvious. I feel like you don't even need

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to No, it's just obvious.

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No.

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I feel like, yeah, if you don't inherently understand how

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people are being penalized for being poor by being ultimately

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driven further into poverty, then I have to assume that

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you're walking around like anyways. The judge postpones that hearing,

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you know, the bail one. At the hearing the following day,

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the prosecutors up their ask for bail to a million

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dollars and request GPS monitoring. And you want to know

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what did he actually get it this time it's granted.

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Oh wow.

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Yeah, I feel like it's maybe a little just too late, Yeah,

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a little too late.

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And it's not even I just feel like GPS monitoring

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people totally misunderstand that is again like the jailhouse phone calls.

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That's not like being monitored in real time. It's not

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like Dysturbia, right, Yeah, Okay, I kind of always wonder

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how that works because I'm like, no one's like manning

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the phones twenty four to seven, Like no, I mean,

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and every jurisdiction can potentially be a little bit different

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in terms of how they handle that administratively and just

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like from an operational side of things. But again, not

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how that works, right, Like.

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You don't leave the zone and an alarm goes off

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now and then the police coming at you.

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Just like what and their response time is never going

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to be three minutes or less for something like that. Yeah. Then,

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on the morning of March twenty second, a passerby walking

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down a private road near Southeast Wooding and Sunset View

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in wash Shugle made a nine to one one call.

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They thought they saw what looked like two life sized

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mannequins at the bottom of a steep embankment lodged in

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thick brush near Gibbons Creek. It wasn't mannikins. It's never mannequins.

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I mean, I think there was that one time where

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it was a mannequin and that was like, you know,

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on the side of the highway, and that was really

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messed up. But it's just not that it was Mische

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and Laila. Their bodies, partially unclothed, bore the marks of

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multiple gunshot wounds suspected to have been fired from a

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twenty two caliber firearm that their autopsies would later confirm

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as the cause of death. Miche's was a close range

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contact wound is a different way of saying essentially execution style,

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while Layla had been shot twice, which begs the question

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why are you double tapping a seven year old? And

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I think I think we have the answer. I don't. Also, horrifyingly,

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lab results would ultimately confirm Warren's DNA was present on

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Layla's body. Yeah, I kind of feel like I knew

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that was coming, but I don't. I don't. Yeah, this

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is a situation where some sort of sexual violence occurred

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to a minor, and there are not a lot of

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details available about that because she's a minor.

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I'm okay with that. I don't need the Yeah, tis no,

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nobody wants that.

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But ultimately, I hope that this reads to everyone that

456
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.640
may encounter this man in the future. I hope that

457
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:18.079
reads as he raped a little girl. Yeah that's how

458
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.680
That's how it sounds. Yeah, sure does. I don't need

459
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:27.480
the details. Following this discovery, when detectives asked him whether

460
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.319
he thought their bodies had been found, Warren said I

461
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:38.720
don't know, before adding I hope not. Well, sounds noncommittal, right,

462
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:40.920
I mean that could be something that you say, like,

463
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.000
I mean, I don't know. I hope not. Yeah, Like

464
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.799
I hope that there was nobodies. I hope they're alive.

465
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:51.119
Uh huh. Yeah. However, I'm going to guess based on

466
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.200
tone and a lot of other contexts that I have

467
00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:00.720
not not how they were reading that also this. However,

468
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.759
when he was shown aerial photos of the site where

469
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:09.119
the bodies were discovered, he ended the interview and requested

470
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:15.039
an attorney. Why begs a question? Yeah, almost like oh shit,

471
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:16.559
like they know where they're at.

472
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.920
Yes, Oh, that's like a dead giveaway because they at that.

473
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.480
Time they haven't found them yet, right, No, or they

474
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.839
had aerial photos of where the bodies were found. Oh okay, okay, okay.

475
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.839
And this is one of those classic situations of like

476
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:34.880
they're like, we're going to go in cold and we're

477
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.920
going to give him a little piece I see, we're

478
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.240
not going to let him know. And and maybe they didn't know,

479
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.680
maybe it wasn't fully confirmed yet. They go in and

480
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:51.000
they are like, Okay, we're going to see how he reacts, right, because.

481
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.880
He didn't know that they knew that he knew that

482
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.160
they knew, right, it's you know.

483
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.759
No, I mean, it's honestly, they want to see how

484
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.640
suspect reacts to certain information because organically, like your reaction

485
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.279
is going to say a lot about what you know.

486
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.920
There's so many implications. So he did the wrong thing,

487
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.319
but sure did the right thing. Yeah, No, I mean

488
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.640
like stay stupid, you know, yeah?

489
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:23.920
Oh man, wow them tricksy then tricksy cops, truck times.

490
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:29.240
A tricksy, According to court documents. Warren would later tell

491
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:34.119
police that he and Miche got into an argument over

492
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:39.480
his second cell phone and that she accidentally shot Layla

493
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.279
twice before turning the gun on herself. Because, of course,

494
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.119
if you killed your own child totally by accident in

495
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.880
the middle of a heated argument, of course, what else

496
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.400
would you do? You would just shoot yourself in the right, right,

497
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:56.359
right right. But also, and I can see the question

498
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.240
on your face. I can see it all over your face. Hole,

499
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.359
which is why my next sentence is, why would a

500
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.079
man have a second cell phone? He might be tempted

501
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.000
to ask, Oh, I didn't need to ask why he has?

502
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.840
Do you need to ask why? I don't know. I mean,

503
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.599
I actually there are I don't want to say. It's

504
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.199
not exactly a plethora, but I can think of a

505
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.320
few reasons, other bitches or drug deals. What's the other reason?

506
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.400
Very smart? Like there's two choices? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Did

507
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.559
I forget to mention that this whole ass time Warren

508
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.880
has actually been married.

509
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.679
He has a whole ass wife, Kirkland, What the fuck

510
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:41.239
you're married?

511
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.039
Yeah? Is she live in Arkansas? Nope? Oh? I well,

512
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.880
actually I don't know, No one cares. The only other

513
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.400
thing we're gonna alert about her is coming up shortly.

514
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:54.559
Yeah.

515
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.000
So, speaking of degrees of shitball, his version of events

516
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.840
was that Miche was the one holding the twenty two

517
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.119
pistol he gave her for protection, and that he was

518
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.559
under the influence of weed, mushrooms, and cocaine at the time.

519
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:16.880
Oh feels like a super weird combo. If sounds like

520
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.159
a party. I mean, it's the entirety of a party

521
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.679
in one man's system.

522
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.079
But it's like he couldn't decide. He's like, I was

523
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.719
on this and this and this, Like you couldn't.

524
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.599
Just be no. I mean I think sometimes people are

525
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.679
just like, oh, yeah, the multiplier effect. Yeah, and they're like,

526
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.559
oh yeah, then I'll totally you know, this is how

527
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.360
I get off Scott free. Just tell them I was

528
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.039
like pumped full of all kinds of drugs and then

529
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.920
it's fine. And it's like, I don't think you understand

530
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:53.079
the legal definition of like culpability, Like does he think

531
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.679
because I'm on so many of these drugs, I can't

532
00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:00.719
shoot a gun like or that is somehow you're less responsible.

533
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.800
So it's like I feel like for a lot of

534
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.840
these situations, it seems like they think that makes them

535
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:07.920
less culpable.

536
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:11.239
I don't know, maybe pick a different drug like meth

537
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.519
or what's the one that people that the one that

538
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.360
you like, eat people's faces off. Oh that's bad, salts.

539
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.360
I don't know what that is. Say that one. I

540
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.480
don't know. One. PCP is the one where like there

541
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.280
was such a moral uh panic about it because people

542
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:34.639
were like jumping off roofs, and there have been instances

543
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.320
where allegedly people have become really aggressive.

544
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:42.440
Do your research, dude, weed, trooms, and coke. I mean

545
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:43.079
maybe the coke.

546
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.119
I don't know, but like, yeah, pick a different drug. Yeah,

547
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.400
I don't know. I'm just saying I don't because it's

548
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.559
obviously not true. It also really doesn't matter because all

549
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.599
three of those still wouldn't. It doesn't, It doesn't. Fuck

550
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:56.559
you still did it?

551
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:56.880
Yeah?

552
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.400
Yeah, No. Here's the thing is, even if they believe

553
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.440
that nonsense, I mean, now you just copp to you know,

554
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.960
being under the influence, which really is neither here nor there.

555
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.320
He said he tried to overdose but threw the pills up,

556
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.559
which which one of these is pills, I'm sorry, and

557
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.880
instead fled to his wife's house, which makes me believe

558
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:24.039
she did not reside in Arkansas, where he hid for

559
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.760
a few days. As for his wife, Monette Tyler Warren,

560
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.000
she was later convicted of embezzling twenty four five hundred

561
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.280
dollars from her credit union where she worked. That's it. Yeah,

562
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.159
And I will say, I know, my girl am higher.

563
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:49.119
You know, if you're gonna get caught, is not even

564
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.800
going to cover your legal face? No, I don't know.

565
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.920
I don't know how much. We don't do crime, but

566
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.239
like also, if you're going to do crime, you.

567
00:37:58.280 --> 00:37:58.800
Know what I mean?

568
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:03.079
Yeah, kind of like wow, was it worth it? That

569
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:08.519
was a rhetorical question because no, nor okay, So this

570
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:10.920
is the part that I actually kind of hate, and

571
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.079
I remember seeing this in real time. I remember seeing

572
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.000
and it's harder to find kind of some of the

573
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:25.400
icky sentiment now, But there were some there were some chatterings.

574
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.719
It was a little bit like a reddit. Oh okay,

575
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.639
it was a little bit like a subreddit for a

576
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:37.880
minute there about this because prosecutors say the money was

577
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:44.119
transferred to an account controlled by Miche, allegedly at Warren's direction.

578
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.400
So essentially what happened is like kind of early days.

579
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:55.480
There was speculation at certain points about like, oh is

580
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.639
this some sort of conspiracy and like oh okay, in

581
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.760
that classic just super gross kind of narrative forming about

582
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.519
like oh, well, she's just a person of color who

583
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.000
like stole, So like she's less dead now her and

584
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:17.440
her child don't matter because they may or may not

585
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.960
have been involved in some sort of a criminal act, which,

586
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:27.559
by the way, let's just say so so clearly that

587
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.840
even if she had been the mastermind of it, not

588
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:38.400
less dead. This is a child also, she is so

589
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:44.280
clearly a victim of an abusive relationship. Do you think

590
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:45.599
that was her choice?

591
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:46.519
Right?

592
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.159
He's contacting her from prison with a no contact order,

593
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:51.159
like there's.

594
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:55.280
And some of this stuff. I get why these points

595
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.159
are brought up, and why you know before we know

596
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:03.480
maybe that they're dead, before we know all of the backstory.

597
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:08.639
You might go, ooh, that doesn't look good. But in hindsight,

598
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:14.039
I'm like, Okay, let's pretend it's Gabby for a minute, right, Yeah,

599
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.639
what do you think that reads like in her case?

600
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.079
I just I struggle. I struggle with the framing in

601
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.559
this situation because I haven't come right out and said it.

602
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:30.159
But Miche Melendez was a person of color, as was

603
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.039
her daughter obviously, and I don't I don't like the

604
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:43.280
characterization in some instances, yeah, related to a crime that

605
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.719
somebody else was committing. I mean to be clear, there's

606
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.239
no money for her to then, you know, be the

607
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.360
receiver of without somebody else having embezzled.

608
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.880
It, right, And like did she like obviously I don't

609
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:59.480
know if we know, but like, did she even know

610
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.000
about this or was it just put in her name?

611
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.079
It's hard to say. It's hard to say. I don't

612
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.719
know that that was ever determined. And again she did.

613
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.559
Who fucking cares? Not less dead? Yeah? Not less dead?

614
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.800
Maybe that's the T shirt I want. Yeah. Police officially

615
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.320
charged Warren with two counts of first degree murder on

616
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.000
March thirty first, which is a pretty quick turnaround. I

617
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.079
was gonna say, wait a minute, March. It's we're still

618
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.840
still in the market March.

619
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:32.519
Yeah.

620
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:38.760
In April, the prosecution stated they would pursue aggravated murder

621
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:43.960
punishable by life without parole. But this case never made

622
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:49.920
it to trial. Excuse me, yeah, which is actually it's

623
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:56.599
one of the few positive surprises. Maybe months later in September,

624
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:01.360
just days before the trial, Warren chained his plea to guilty,

625
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.880
well sort of, for the second degree murder for Miche

626
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:11.760
an aggravated murder of Leila. He entered an alfred plea

627
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:18.199
for first degree child molestation. For anyone unfamiliar with the term,

628
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.639
an Alfred plea essentially allows a defendant to maintain their

629
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.719
innocence but assert that the state has enough evidence to

630
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:30.039
obtain a conviction. I know I've heard that term before,

631
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.639
and I don't know where. I don't know if it

632
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.280
was from you or I think probably one of the

633
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:42.199
better known examples of sort of this strategy, at least legally,

634
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.960
not at all. The same situation, obviously, is in the

635
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:56.480
West Memphis three. Okay, so Super, in my opinion, not

636
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:02.039
a guilty person, but someone who has ultimately decided that

637
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.639
I just don't want to die in prison. Oh yeah,

638
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:11.119
I think in this case, I'm not sure that the

639
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:15.760
finer points of an Alfred plea would matter much to

640
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.360
his potential new roommates. But I can see why that

641
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.039
strategy might have made sense for someone facing the charges

642
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:29.039
in potential sentence that he was. Again, Super, don't think

643
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.239
his new roommates are going to be swayed by the

644
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.519
fact that it was an Alfred plea. I think I

645
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.480
kind of forgot about that. Yeah, I think the thing,

646
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.079
I think, if they know what you were charged with,

647
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:47.000
good luck with that at sentencing. The courtroom was packed. Family,

648
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:53.119
friends and supporters wearing shirts with Miche and Laylah's photos

649
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.440
were present. The judge said, the air in this courtroom

650
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.960
hangs heavy with the durable suffering of the family and

651
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.440
friends of the victims. Warren declined to speak, and he showed,

652
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.599
I mean really no emotion as he was led away.

653
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:16.719
Every single photo of this man is stone fucking cold.

654
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.119
I don't know that i'd want to see like anything

655
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:24.039
else because it's like it would feel like disingenuous, almost

656
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:25.239
like you've killed this person.

657
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.199
So I don't want to see fucking emotion from you.

658
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.719
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. There's no good

659
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:34.039
way to see that. I guess no, but I think

660
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:38.400
it really cements that. I just don't think that there's remorse.

661
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:39.159
Yeah.

662
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:46.880
Officer Tanya Wolstein read family statements. Layla's last moments were

663
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:51.800
filled with fear and suffering that no child should experience,

664
00:44:53.599 --> 00:45:00.800
so she also read statements at at a vigil for

665
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.639
both of them. I felt like seeing the photos of

666
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:09.519
her at the vigil, it was really hard to see

667
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.800
someone who I'm sure you know through the course of

668
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.480
this investigation. You know, it's like she feels like she

669
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.000
knows them, but to see pictures from the vigil, it

670
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.480
was just such a it's hard to even put into words.

671
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:28.440
You could just really see how deeply affected people were

672
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.000
by this case. And there were so many people showing

673
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.239
up to these to the vigil, and you know in

674
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.079
the courtroom that it's like they don't know them personally,

675
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:46.239
but the impact of this case, Laylah's father, Javonte Stewart, said,

676
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.000
the impacts of their death have left me and others

677
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.679
here today struggling to find a way forward. And the

678
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.960
grief is something I carry with me every moment of

679
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.360
my life. This case had touched a lot of life lives,

680
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.239
people that knew the victims, and like I said, I

681
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:09.480
mean many that hadn't. In twenty twenty two, the CDC

682
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.800
reported that over half of female homicide victims were killed

683
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:19.559
by current or former partners, over half over half. And

684
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.559
this is where we get the phrase it's always the husband.

685
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.000
That's what I was thinking. The husband did it. And

686
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.880
according to the National Network to End Domestic Violence, one

687
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.400
in three women killed by intimate partners had reached out

688
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:42.159
to police or services beforehand. That breaks my heart. This

689
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.840
wasn't a system error. This was a system pattern. And

690
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.800
as much as there were things that we can all

691
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.039
point to and say this is the part of the

692
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.679
system that we hate and we don't understand and it

693
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:01.159
needs to be better, ultimately we can't really lay this

694
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.719
at the feet of the system either, because for all

695
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.119
the things that we have in place to try to

696
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.880
prevent these things, there are just probably always going to

697
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:19.320
be people that do things like this. Also related to

698
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:28.039
the murder that occurred in Arkansas on April twenty third,

699
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:34.000
twenty twenty three, a fugitive warrant for his arrest was issued,

700
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:42.079
which as I was writing this this particular part of

701
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:48.639
the story, it was on April twenty third, twenty twenty five.

702
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.960
What Yeah, And I'd already spent a good chunk of

703
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.800
time on this case. But I was like, Oh, that's

704
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:06.239
fucking spooky. That is so weird looking at this like

705
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:10.599
through the month of April and seeing all of these

706
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:16.320
parallels to like months just very recently gone by, and

707
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:21.239
then also finding stuff that related to like the crime

708
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:27.000
stats from the report related to February and May, and

709
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.639
it just felt like it was like this like chunk

710
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:36.559
of time in recent history. It was like everything felt

711
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.840
like Oh my god, this is like two years to

712
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:48.559
the day later. The whole timeline. Oooh spooky. I don't know.

713
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:49.480
It gave me chills.

714
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.679
And this is only April. What what's twenty April twenty six?

715
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:59.880
Yeah, I don't really have an eloquent way to end this.

716
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.239
I'm going to read this next statement and then we'll

717
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.159
move on to something that feels a little less heavy. Well,

718
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.920
we'll do our tiro. If you or someone you know

719
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:16.800
is experiencing domestic violence, please don't wait. Help us available.

720
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.840
You can call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at one

721
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:26.159
eight hundred seven nine nine safe that's seven two three three,

722
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:31.000
text start to eight eight seven eight eight, or visit

723
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.440
the hotline dot org for twenty four to seven confidential support.

724
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.239
You are not alone and you deserve to be safe.

725
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.440
I don't know why that like really fucks me up.

726
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:43.119
It does.

727
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.800
It's the whole time though you're that you're saying that,

728
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.079
I'm thinking, like, there are some people who can't even

729
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.400
do that, Like they don't even feel safe enough to

730
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.920
do that, or they're so like watched that they can't

731
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.320
text a line or fucking like call a hot line

732
00:49:59.400 --> 00:49:59.920
or something like.

733
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.960
It's yeah, and it's so scary. We've talked about cases

734
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:08.960
where you know where that is the situation, and I

735
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:14.199
think it's always really hard with cases that involve domestic

736
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:20.639
violence because people don't understand sometimes how coercive and controlling

737
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:27.119
and manipulative those situations can be. And they just it's

738
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:28.559
not like they just like spring.

739
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.719
On you either, they like now grow on you, and

740
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.559
they to where you like you don't even realize half

741
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.960
the time, like what's happening, you know, if you don't

742
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:37.639
really realize it.

743
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:45.159
No, it's the pots slowly heating up before it's boiling, right.

744
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.239
I think we'll probably try to put that in the

745
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:52.159
show notes as well. Well, should we do?

746
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:52.800
Sent Taro?

747
00:50:53.199 --> 00:51:03.480
I think we should? Okay, all yours, My energy is

748
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:03.840
in there.

749
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:09.760
Okay, she is shuffling the deck. I won't tell you

750
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.639
what she just did off camera. Her hair is a

751
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:18.000
beautiful rose gold. Last time you were like, her hair

752
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:23.000
is a beautiful chestnut to.

753
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.840
Me because I was like, describe what I'm doing. That

754
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.719
sounds it was great. I loved it.

755
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.199
We get this one all the time. Oh my goodness. Okay,

756
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:41.280
seven of swads I forget. Okay, for some people who

757
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:44.000
may not listen all the time. We are using our

758
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.400
P ANDW deck, which is not a traditional tarot deck,

759
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:49.400
so the imagery is a little bit different on it,

760
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.519
and I feel like sometimes we just kind of start

761
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.400
talking about it and we don't say, like, hey, this

762
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.719
is the P and W the way, because we also

763
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.960
have a YouTube now which shows our altar and our

764
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.800
everything and the cards were using, So sometimes we just

765
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.880
kind of assume you can see it, and then we

766
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.239
don't explain what's going on.

767
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.719
Listen. If you want to know what's going on, then

768
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.960
I We're sorry, we facking don't know what's happening. Ever,

769
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:31.320
I don't know. So seven of swords. Our keywords are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning,

770
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.320
and strategy. Yeah, it's got that little fox on it.

771
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.119
So that's like the weasel, so I always called it fox.

772
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.360
It's a weasel. It does kind of look like a

773
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:43.360
fox att a glance, though. Yeah.

774
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.480
The weasels stealing eggs out of a robin's nest such

775
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.559
a dick move, which is like kind of like what

776
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:51.800
he did a little bit.

777
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.039
Yeah. Yeah, the imagery for me immediately.

778
00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:00.800
Baby a baby from a nest. Basically great, literally okay.

779
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:06.519
Some decks, including the Writer Waight Smith, Aquarian, and Gilded Tarot,

780
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:12.719
show a man carrying carrying away five swords, leaving two

781
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:14.760
stuck in the ground beside.

782
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.679
Him behind him. Excuse me, wow, Reading is hard. When

783
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.719
this card appears, it suggests you're facing a challenge or

784
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:29.400
problem and must use caution to overcome potential danger. The

785
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:33.719
upright seven suggests a tricky situation in which things are

786
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.760
not completely clear. You may be formulating a plan but

787
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.239
don't have all the information you need, or the plan

788
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:45.639
may be risky and could backfire. This card can represent

789
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:52.239
surreptitious action and advises diplomacy. I feel like in this

790
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.960
situation that really what is diplomacy. I mean, it's kind

791
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.000
of like trying to make peace and trying to be

792
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.079
I mean, trying to be a peacemaker. But the surreptitious

793
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.559
action that's what gets me, because it's like, how can

794
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:16.159
you adequately be the peacemaker in a situation where people

795
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:23.920
are behaving in ways that are underhanded, that are manipulative.

796
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.960
You can't. I mean you can try, you can try.

797
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.719
In a reading about money, the seven warns that you

798
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.400
probably shouldn't go ahead with a financial idea or investment

799
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:42.559
you're considering, like embezzlement. Oh, perhaps the risks are too high,

800
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:47.199
or the deal may be shaky or shady. Yeah, like

801
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:54.599
embezzlement twenty four twenty four hundred thousand, twenty four thousand, Yeah,

802
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:00.679
twenty four thousand, five hundred, while and fifty six. Oh

803
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:06.360
my god. And if the reading is about your job,

804
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:13.039
this card says don't engage indirect confrontation, work behind the

805
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:18.239
scenes to get results. The upright seven can also indicate restlessness.

806
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:23.599
Perhaps your job lacks the diversity or stimulation you desire.

807
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:27.960
Consider making a change. In a reading about love your

808
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:33.119
advice to seek compromise and use diplomacy rather than arguing

809
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:36.880
with a partner. But don't just go along to get along.

810
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:43.159
Oh wow, that was for sure when she took back

811
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.880
her statement about that, was it a shooting, like he

812
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.280
like shot somebody or something?

813
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:52.920
Yeah, it was that. Well. I mean, it's unclear to me,

814
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:57.360
at least in my research, what exactly or who exactly

815
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:02.440
he may have been firing upon. But given the fact

816
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.280
that he was charged for essentially what amounts to like

817
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:13.480
drive by, Oh Jesus, I don't know. And to be honest,

818
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.199
I don't know that it adds a lot of value

819
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:21.440
to the case, which should be centered on the victims

820
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.519
that I was like, listen, I can pull at this thread,

821
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:29.840
but it's not about that, and it doesn't work, It doesn't.

822
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.400
Change, but it totally like reminds me of that. How

823
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:37.079
she like recount recounted her statement? Is that what the

824
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.960
recan't Yeah, that's not the right word. Recant at her statement.

825
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:46.679
Yeah, recounting is like almost like recollection. Yeah, yeah, they're

826
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.239
similar words leave me alone, they are, I mean, they

827
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:57.400
sound alike. Sometimes this card shows leaving a relationship that

828
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.440
doesn't meet your intellectual or spiritual will needs. I don't

829
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:04.639
think he met any of her needs. Oh my god.

830
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:10.960
Extra excerpt is uh, focus, be focused and thorough in

831
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:16.440
planning your strategy. As Barbara Moore writes in The Gilded Tarot, companion,

832
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.800
be on guard or one of those sorts he left

833
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:30.199
behind will find its way into his back. Oh right, And.

834
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:34.679
He basically like he left enough evidence to get himself convicted.

835
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.199
Yep, wow, And do you know, Okay, listen, maybe this

836
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:48.960
is irresponsible to actually vocalize, but I will say leaving

837
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:54.599
behind the forensic evidence that leads to an Alfred plea

838
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:00.559
for what you did to a child. That's one way

839
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:05.480
to get shanked. He's not dead yet, though, is he Nope,

840
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.679
not to my knowledge. I feel like that would have

841
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:17.400
made the news. There's one more extra excerpt. Okay, his holiness,

842
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:23.320
the fourteenth Dhali Lama tragedy should be utilized as a

843
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:28.559
source of strength, no matter what sort of difficulties, how

844
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:33.800
painful experience is. If we lose our hope, that's our

845
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:34.840
real disaster.

846
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:40.599
I feel like that's just like really hits just in

847
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:42.400
general right now for the world.

848
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:48.800
Yeah, I feel like talking about this through the lens

849
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:54.239
of you know, the political landscape recently and thinking about

850
00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:01.280
how quickly certain populations basically anyone who's not h white,

851
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.480
cis male, could be set back essentially fifty five years.

852
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:10.199
That's just a really important sentiment right now.

853
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:15.440
I know I've read the little interpretation from the book

854
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.960
that comes with the P ANDW deck. Let me just see,

855
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.159
because you never know, even though you've read something a

856
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.599
thousand times like there still could be like a part

857
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.960
or a word that just totally connects. This is why

858
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.360
we pull the same card all the time, because we

859
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.440
have the same type of theme shit. I mean if

860
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:38.679
the shoe fits Cinderella, so it's an Olympic short tailed weasel.

861
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:44.280
So that's isn't like Olympic Olympias associated Yeah with like Washington. Yeah, ooh,

862
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:48.159
we did. We have read this so recently. Listen, everybody's

863
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:48.760
got to eat.

864
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:51.280
And I feel like when we were.

865
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:52.920
Talking about this, we were kind of talking about the

866
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.440
same sort of themes I'm in.

867
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.599
Who would have sunk right to boy, it ain't my fault.

868
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.280
Mom and Papa Robin decided to fly off at the

869
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:06.719
same time. Oh god, See, I wouldn't call that a

870
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.440
wise decision. I know they're not gonna want to hear this,

871
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.960
but when you think about it, this one's on them.

872
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.880
Look at how nature works. It's opportunistic, and I know

873
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.679
an opportunity when I see it. That's like typical, fucking,

874
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:28.480
oh god, abusive manipulatory. Anyway, if I didn't swipe these eggs,

875
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.719
somebody else would have. Anybody could have been waiting in

876
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.719
the leaves, still in silent as death, watching that nest

877
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.920
all afternoon and still in silent as death.

878
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:41.440
It's just I hate it.

879
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:45.639
Anybody could have deftly climbed the tallest tree swung out

880
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.800
on the rickety bough and dove neatly into the Nests

881
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.400
Cup without so much as scuffing a single delicious egg.

882
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.199
I mean, eggs in this economy, don't be stuffing that

883
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.559
bitches them bitches. So what if I got there first?

884
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.480
Don't blame me for playing a game and winning. What

885
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:04.599
do you want me to do?

886
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:08.400
Starve? So it just like you let me out of jail,

887
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.480
like that's your Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean and yes,

888
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:19.079
yes and no, yes, yes and no. It's really lucky

889
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:24.239
and I hate it, I know, having creepy yas day.

890
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:48.360
We'll see you next Tuesday. Scrambled eggs anyone? Goal for it?

891
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:52.840
Nea Ham, you missed my hilarious sports ing joint. What

892
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.599
did you say? You say, go for it? Yeah, because

893
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.199
when you said go for it, it sounds like goal

894
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:02.679
for it, and I was so I said goal for it,

895
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.880
like goal like a like a goalie. Yeah, and I

896
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.840
was like, goal for it, Nyaham. I don't know if

897
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:11.239
that be.

898
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:15.719
She's a soccer player. Oh I don't soccer. I barely

899
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:16.119
know her.

900
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:23.119
I am a dad on the inside.

901
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:34.480
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