Dec. 23, 2025

The Real Life Grinch - A True Crime Collab

The Real Life Grinch - A True Crime Collab
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The Real Life Grinch - A True Crime Collab

'Tis the season for true crime chaos! Hosts Kristen Seavey from https://open.spotify.com/show/0n9q2IMjGQyrHMMByvnA2H, Javier Leiva from PRETEND, and Shaun from https://open.spotify.com/show/1W2swCx9LP38sFY06294pB?si=3ce61d53c761431c join forces to...

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Season 3

'Tis the season for true crime chaos! Hosts Kristen Seavey from Murder, She Told, Javier Leiva from PRETEND, and Shaun from Sins & Survivors join forces to explore Christmas crimes gone horribly wrong.

From a bath salts-fueled home decorator in suburban Ohio to a serial burglar stealing Robert De Niro's wrapped presents right from under his tree, these real-life Grinches prove that the holidays bring out the worst in some people. The hosts also dive into the disturbing case of postal workers who intercepted letters to Santa meant for underprivileged children...stealing laptops, iPads, and gift cards intended for kids in need.

But the main event is a fresh-off-the-press case from Bangor, Maine. When a couple woke up to find a stranger sleeping on their couch, surrounded by their unwrapped Christmas presents. Police body cam footage reveals just how terrifying this "funny" story really was. 

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Hey everyone, Happy Festivus, Happy Christmas Eve Eve, and welcome

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to Sins and Survivors. I'm your host Sean, and today

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we have another very special holiday treat for you all.

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Last week when I collaborated with Kristen of Murder She

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Told and Javier from Pretend for our true Crime Conversations episode.

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We had so much fun working together and that collab

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was such a hit that we decided to do it again,

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and this time with a festive twist. We're trating stories

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about what happens when holiday cheer goes criminally wrong. These

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are real cases with real people impacted, but they're also strange, absurd,

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and very much rooted in the chaos that seems to

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show up this time of year. And for those of

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you wondering Where's John, stay tuned tomorrow when we have

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yet another surprise for everyone that you won't want to miss.

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So settle in, poor yourself your favorite beverage and join

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us for the Real Life Grinch, a holiday crossover episode

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with Sins and Survivors, Murder She Told and Pretend.

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Hey everyone, it's me Javier Leva with the Pretend Podcast

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and I'm joined today by Kristen with the Murder She

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Told podcasts and Sean with the Sins and Survivors podcast.

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What are we doing this again?

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We are doing this again.

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We got such great feedback from our last episode that

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we figured, hey, why not, let's do this again, right,

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but this time it's Christmas and we should do a

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Christmas episode.

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Right, Yes, agreed?

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Yeah, So today we are going to talk about real

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life Grinches. Okay, these are stories of Christmas gone wrong,

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and boy do we have a doozy Christen kind of

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give us a preview of the main story that we're

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going to talk about, which is just wild.

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So this actually happened in Bangor, Maine, which is very

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very close to me, and it's a recent It was

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over Thanksgiving and I had no I have not heard

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about this before you brought it to me. By the way,

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I'm sick. This is not what I normally sound like.

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So thank you for bearing with me. But I mean

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both of my stories are kind of home invasion stories

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with a gringe twist, and I just think it's fascinating

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and a little bit terrifying.

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Let me add a little bit to your tease. Because

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after we found this story, and like you said, it

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just happened, like just just happened. And I quickly whipped

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up an email to the Bangor Police Department asking for

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a records request, not knowing what I was going to get.

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I was just like, hey, here's the suspect, here's the

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case file, Like, give me whatever you got, and like

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Christmas morning, I got the files and it is it

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is crazy. You guys haven't seen it an no things.

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Oh my gosh. I got body cam footage of the incident.

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Oh my god.

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And so we'll talk about this. We're gonna say this

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story for last because it is a banger of a story.

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Oh my god.

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I love though that this is so on brand for you,

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Like I didn't even think to do that, and the

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fact that you were like I'm gonna go get that

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body cam footage, like I'm so excited.

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Was there a dog dressed as a reindeer in any

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of the footage.

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Or no, but there is a pet involved. There is

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a pet involved, yes, and we're going to get to that.

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It's such a crazy story. I can't wait.

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All right, So why don't we just jump in there, Christian,

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why don't you tell us about the first story that

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we're going to talk about today?

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All right?

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So the first one that I have for you is

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it's in a suburb of Dayton, Ohio. It's please, I

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might be butchering this, but Van Dahalia and Dalia sounds good.

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I usually look up the names, and I'm very meticulous

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about it. I'm going to say that I did not

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do that. But Vandalia, Ohio. It's a suburb of Dayton,

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and this is in twenty eleven, and there was a

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resident who discovered somebody putting up Christmas decorations that broke

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into their home. So police said that the man was

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allegedly a high on bath salts and he entered this

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home and began hanging Christmas day cours, which I kind

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of love him for that, Like, I mean, if you're

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going to break into a house on bath salts, like

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the best thing that you could do is just like

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I'm gonna go decorate for Christmas?

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Can I be honest with you guys. I don't even

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know what bath salts are. It just sounds like something

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you get at bed, Bath and Beyond or something. But

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then the first time I ever heard about bath salts

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was that guy in Miami that ate the guy's face

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under the bridge, remember, yeah, yeah, real sorry, And then

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I was like, oh, bath salts. There are a lot

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more menacing than that.

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I realize it's also kind of like a little time

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capsule because this case happens in twenty eleven. But I

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feel like, back in you know, twenty ten, twenty eleven,

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twenty twelve, bath salts were like the high, the go

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too high, and it was like a huge news thing

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where people were talking about bath salts and it's a

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cheap way to get high, and I don't know it

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was it was a trend for twenty eleven.

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It made him be like an interior decorator, like a

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little Christmas elf.

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I mean like, I feel like with bath salts, you

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never know what you're going to get, Like you might

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eat someone's face off like a zombie, or you might

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get into the Christmas spirit.

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It's a either way, great HGTV concept, right.

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Right, yeah, true, decorating with bath salts.

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You know.

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So Terry Trent, he's forty four and he was arrested

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on a burglary charge. And there was an eleven year

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old boy who found Trent sitting on the couch after

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he had decorated part of the house.

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And police said that.

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Trent entered through a back door and just made himself

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comfortable in the house. He lit candles on the coffee table,

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on the kitchen table, he turned on the TV. I

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really want to know what he was watching. I'm like,

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are we real? This is a real story. I'm like,

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are we watching elf? Who are we watching? It's a

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wonderful life? Are we crying at the end of Home Alone?

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Too?

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When he gives her the ornament?

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Like?

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What are where are we?

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He also hung up a Christmas wreath on the back

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garage door. So he's going all out, like he's full

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on bathsall interior decorating.

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We're all envisioning welfare, all right? Yes?

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Yeah? Like in the uh in the department store.

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Yeah, hey, guys, have you seen the place? That's pretty good?

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It's a little too good. Corporate must have sent in

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a professional.

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So then when the boy came in, he saw him

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watching TV. And playing with his toys, and then he

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called his mom, who was next door at the Nave house,

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and the boy's mother told the police that he tried

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to apologize and he was polite and he was sorry

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that he scared the kid, and he was arrested without incident,

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even though police did find that he was carrying a

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pocket knife.

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Oh but that's you know, to decorate with, right, Yeah.

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And no explanation, like he wasn't like he was like, oh,

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I thought this was my brother's house or any anything

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like that.

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It was just totally totally random. I'm aware of swept

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up and just possessed by the Christmas spirit through these

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bathrootes he did.

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A coworker did describe him as normally a very caring person.

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He's involved with boy Scouts, he's involved with the local

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church program, and it just seems like he had.

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Or like a really on day.

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let's just let's just make it happen for this family.

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I want to know if it looked good, Like that's

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my question. So we should probably file a FOYA for

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the actually.

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Yeah, for some pictures of the crime scene.

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I might, I might actually do this.

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You should.

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It's going to be like twenty eleven, like digital camera photos,

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probably not like body cam footage.

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So Sean, what do you got You have a story

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for us?

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I do?

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I Actually I just came back from New York yesterday morning,

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so I actually have a.

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New York City story for everyone. Yeah, it was a

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really great trip.

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I mean New York is just so much hustle and

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bustle at the holidays, people just running around the lights,

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the tree, all the shopping. The story I have is

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actually from a part of town that I didn't get

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a chance to visit, which is the Upper East Side

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of Manhattan. So this happened in December of twenty twenty two.

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The NYPD had already been tracking Shanisaviles, a woman that

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they knew was a serial burglar. So they saw her

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and she was going through the neighborhood and I guess

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trying doors and she found one that was unlocked, so

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they kind of, you know, followed her to see what

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townhouse she was going in. And this was completely coincidental.

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This was totally random, but it was Robert de Niro's townhouse.

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So according to the police, she just walked in.

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The door was unlocked, no alarm, there's no security, and

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then she just began taking the wrapped Christmas presents from

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underneath his tree and I guess playing with his iPad. Meanwhile,

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Robert de Niro is upstairs in the house asleep, and

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his daughter was at the house as well, And I

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just think, to me, that is the most bizarre part

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of the story. I guess because he's such a famous

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a lister that he was just.

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In New York City with his door unlocked.

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I mean, it's it's not it's unsafe, but it's definitely

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not one of those you know communities where people say

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we just leave our doors unlocked.

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Because it's so safe.

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So it's just that he was home and the tree

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is lit, and she just walks in and starts taking

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his gifts. But the police were like basically right behind her.

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The Thankfully, because the cops were there, the story ends peacefully.

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I don't know how it could have gone if he

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had come downstairs or heard something.

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I mean, I think we're all lucky.

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Although maybe she just would have been shocked and ran away,

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or it would have turned into some silly Christmas movie caper.

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But yeah, it just ends peacefully. I don't know how

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they managed to sleep through everything that happened, but she

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was arrested without incident. No one was hurt, and Christmas

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continued on as planned. And I just was thinking, I

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don't know who the person was who left his door unlocked,

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but I am glad it wasn't me, because I wouldn't

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have wanted to be yelled at by Robert de Niro.

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You know, I can imagine if Robert de Niro would

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have been there, he would have been talking to me, Yeah,

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talking to me.

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I will say that the Upper East Side is a

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fairly safe neighborhood. I lived in New York City for

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a really long time, and it's obviously a very wealthy

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zip code zip codes. It's interesting, like who you might

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stumble on if you just like randomly pick a house,

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because it's all it's all rich people, Like somebody is somebody.

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But it's funny that it's Robert de Niro, just because

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he's so well known, as opposed to like some you know,

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hedge fund guy who you don't know.

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Yeah, and I wonder if she ever brags about that.

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You know, people love to tell their like celebrity sighting stories,

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like I wonder if she's ever like, hey, guess what

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I did one time and broken?

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I would, Yeah, I would brag about that.

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So it's uh, like again like I can't I can't

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believe the the guts of some.

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People at the at the holidays.

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They really are like grinches and they're just collecting people's

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Christmas gifts right from under their tree. But thankfully, like

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I said, it is I guess technically a home invasion,

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but you know, one where no one was hurt, thank goodness.

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But apparently this is not her first time doing this, right,

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like you said, she is a serial burglar, and yeah,

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this was just another gig for her, I'm sure.

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And it's uh, it's interesting that they were they were

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already tracking her. I think that probably prevented it from

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being something way more dramatic, that they were right there.

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As popped out. Who knows.

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I kind of want to know what was on his iPad?

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Yeah, I know, yeah, what what was she doing playing

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Candy Crush or who knows?

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All right, so my story is next, and this is

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about three postal workers that really are just like the

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scum of the earth. What they're saying about these people,

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of what their alleged crimes are true. I mean, they're

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just sick. They are stealing from underprivileged kids during Christmas.

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So I'll tell you how this worked. So you got

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three postal workers who are real grinches, right, They were

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working in cahoots, I guess, making multiple copies of fake

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letters to Santa so they could get picked up by

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Secret Santa in Operation Santa program. Do you guys know

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about the Operation Santa program by the US Postal Service?

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I I don't know. I feel like I've heard of it,

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but I don't actually know.

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So Operation Santa is basically a program by the US

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Postal Service where they match up individuals, businesses, charities with

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children in need who write letters to Santa. And the

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whole idea is that, you know, these kids can get

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gifts right during the holidays, but instead you have these

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three postal workers who are basically intercepting these letters. They're

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either writing the letters themselves or they are actually printing

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out new labels with their address so that they could

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receive the gifts. So all of this happened during the

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twenty thirteen holiday season. One of the postal workers who

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was involved in this scheme received a printer, two laptop computers,

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two tablets, clothing, betting, gift cards, and other items. And

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one other guy got in iPad, laptop, headphones, boots. All

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of this is documented in court docs, by the way,

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And it is just crazy to believe that during this

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time period, when there's kids who really need gifts, that

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there are some people in the post Office thinking, Hey,

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I know how to intercept this. I could make a

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couple of bucks or get a bunch of free stuff

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if I could just steal gifts from underprivileged kids. I mean,

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it was just so gross.

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And those are real high ticket, high priced items.

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We're not talking like barbies and like Lego sets, We're

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like laptop computers.

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Yeah.

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Wow, it's really sad. I mean that's like the lowest

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of the low.

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Yeah, it's horrible, But I'm so glad that a program

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like this does exist, right.

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Yeah, and there's way more It helps way more people

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than you know than the fraud that Yeah.

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Well, hopefully the post Office caught on to the to

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this scheme and is keeping a closer eye on this.

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But h I say, bahumbug to these guys.

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Yeah, recently.

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Well I kind of want to inject a story here

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that was not in our little prep doc. But this

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just happened too, just a couple of weeks ago really.

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But it's about these prisoners now that the gritch in

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this scenario. In this scenario is the actual like prison,

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because some of these inmates have gotten pretty pretty clever

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and they used in South Carolina, they used drones to

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deliver crab legs steaks to the prison. Oh and weed. Well,

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let me see or whether it was. Yeah, I think

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it was because you know, it goes really well with

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crab legs, old bay seasonings.

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Oh so they were ready.

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And cardons, some cigarettes because you know, after a big

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meal like that. So uh yeah, I just thought it

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was so clever because you hear about you know, we

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live in this day and age of drones now, and

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everyone knows that people in jail have contraband cell phones

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and stuff like that, so they're communicating with the outside.

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So they're just getting their buddies to drop weapons into

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the prison or like contraband and all this stuff. But

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like these guys at least, they were just trying to

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have like a little Christmas dinner and you know, the

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prison just came in and uh and uh swept it away,

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and it's gonna be a bad, bad Christmas for those

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South Carolina prisoners.

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So who ordered it?

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I'm not sure?

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Like, how how did this? How did this get started?

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Well, this happens apparently a lot like the whole drone

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contraband thing. And what I found interesting is that that

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the prisons, even if they see the drone coming, they

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can't shoot it down. Apparently that is like uh, some

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gray area, some gray legal area for the prison. And

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it's becoming like a real big problem drones and prisons.

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But this article that I've read, and I haven't done

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too much research on it didn't say who the who

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the inmates were, who ordered this, but I would have

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to buy. But I'm looking at a picture right now.

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You want to see You want to see a picture

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of the of the goods. Yeah, the picture of the goods,

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because this is this is pretty awesome. They even vacuum

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sealed some of it, so you know, to keep it fresh.

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I love that there was old Bay with it.

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Yeah, of course, a bottle of old Bay, a carton

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of marble, a big big ass bag of weed.

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Oh that's weed. I thought that was a steak. Oh

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my god. Oh now it's Oh my gosh, that is

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a big bag of weed.

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Wow. The bag of weed, just to give the listeners

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an idea, is bigger than the steak. Okay, the steak

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and the crab legs combined.

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Yes, I thought that.

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Was as long as that carton of cigarettes.

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Yes, yes, the biggest thing in the picture is the weed.

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I guess.

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Wow, that is so funny. Who ate it?

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I'm guessing that the probably the cops ate it or

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like prisons, that's diabolical.

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That's wrong. I wonder if they you know, if they

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put any like, you know, dry ice with it.

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Have to travel yeah, probably.

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Not very far. But you know, in my area, there

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used to be like drones that would deliver ice cream.

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Do you guys have that where you live?

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No?

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No, I think yeah, yeah, drunks. You know, they're getting.

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Better and better delivers ice cream. Like you can order

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ice cream and a drone, we'll just deliver it to you.

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Yeah, it just delivered it drops it right in front

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of your door.

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Yeah, that's an important service we all need.

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Exactly because you just never know when you're going to

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need a pint of ice cream.

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Right, Yeah, you don't.

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It's an emergency.

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I love how that it was the South Carolina Department

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of Corrections that that put that out in the world.

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Come on, this is cool, all right. So when we

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come back, we are going to talk about this case

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that Christen is going to talk about from Bangor, Maine

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where she's from. And well, you're not from Bangor, Maine,

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but you're close enough, close enough, right, and it is

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a doozy. I can't wait to talk about it. So

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we're gonna get into it after the break.

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All right.

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So this case actually happened a couple of weeks ago.

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It happened over Thanksgiving, and it's in Bangor, Maine, and

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there's not a lot of details on it that I

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could find, but that will change.

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We will get to that.

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So a man in Bangor was accused of breaking into

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a family's apartment and opening up all of their Christmas presents,

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which I'm actually impressed that they had all of their

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Christmas presents ready to go on Sunday, November twenty fifth,

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this year, twenty twenty five when that happened. So apparently

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they did, and Jose Harvey, who's fifty, broke into their

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house and somebody called and reported that someone had broken

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into their apartment and was sleeping on their couch and

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refused to leave.

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But that's all we knew, right like that, that was it.

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Yeah, he made himself cozy.

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There was no names, no like other than Jose Harvey

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we had. Yeah.

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Yeah, So the tenant told authorities that they found all

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of their Christmas presents unwrapped, and then they see this

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man sleeping on their couch and he couldn't provide any

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logical reason why he was in the apartment, and he

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was charged with aggravated criminal trespassing.

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And unlike Sean's you know bath salt guy or who

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was the bath salt person? Was that you Christmas? Oh?

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That was me? Yeah?

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Oh yeah, that was the Ohio bathstalt incident.

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Yeah, unlike your bath salt guy, he did not decorate

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the place.

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He did not He just took. He did not give,

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He took.

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Yeah. Wow, Well, I don't know that this story really

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piqued my interest. I was just intrigued by the lack

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of detail out there, and so it literally, guys, I

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know that it seems pressient. It took me five minutes

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to write an email to the Bangor Police Department. And

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it was a very eric email, like I didn't ask

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for anything specific. But a couple days later, it didn't

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even take that long. A couple days later, I get

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a ZIP file with like twenty one gigs okay, and

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I'm thinking, what the hell is in this thing?

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I mean, that's Christmas getting a foilout where you have

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that many gigs?

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Yeah, that was like Christmas morning. And so I want

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to share with you what I found because you guys

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have not seen this.

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I have not, and I love that you did that

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so much.

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Yeah, and you know, this is such a silly It

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seems like a silly story, but it's about to not

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get silly, because you know, on the surface, we hear

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about these stories and there's no detail and they sound

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funny and we're doing this whole special on Grinci's Christmas.

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But this is like a real person that this happened to.

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And when you watch this footage, you're gonna see how

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scary it is because the cops showed up right as

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the purp was still in the apartment, okay, and so

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you're like they showed up somehow, these people, the victims

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kept this guy Jose Harvey in their apartment until the

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cops came. All right, so let's let's watch the footage

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we start. There's multiple clips, right, and each folder has

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a different body cam from a different officer who responded,

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even like the police dashboard. But this clip that we're

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watching right now is the officer like heading to the call.

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Like he's doing to the call. Okay, so he's arriving

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at the scene. It looks like a townhouse apartment type

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of situation where there's like one front door and then

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when you open up the door, there's multiple different apartments.

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So let me stop right here and just kind of

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explain to the listeners who can't see this what's happening.

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So basically, the officer shows up, he meets the woman

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who lives in the arman upstairs who made the call.

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They go upstairs and they walk into the living room

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and the boyfriend is wearing his underwear. I mean, he's

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just like you can tell they just woke up and

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this Jose Harvey guy is just standing in their living room.

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You could see all the Christmas stuff you guys look for.

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Let me go, now, mean it, let's go, And this

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is what bothers me. The most about this is that

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the cop shows up and he's just like, hey, get

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out of here, scram Okay. So now we're watching we're

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watching video of them going, the officers following Jose Harvey,

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you know, the purp right here, he's following him downstairs.

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But I wanted to stop and kind of get your

470
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reactions so far.

471
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.079
First of all, I love that Jose is wearing red plaid,

472
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.319
like flow red plaid, because it kind of makes them

473
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:03.279
look like sand. Yeah, it's like like a really creepy Santa.

474
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.759
And he's also got like something green in his arm, Yeah,

475
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:07.480
like a jacket.

476
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.440
It's it's his jacket. But he's wearing a hood, right,

477
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.599
Like that's what kind of gives him the Santa.

478
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:13.759
That that face.

479
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:16.519
He has a white beard, right.

480
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.279
Yes, he does.

481
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:19.839
He kind of looks like Santa.

482
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.680
I just feel so bad for these people. Look like

483
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:27.200
he trashed the place. Yeah, like it looks like they

484
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.319
have like a nice place, you know, had the stockings

485
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:31.119
up and everything.

486
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.720
If if if somebody broke into my house though, and

487
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.839
the police were on their way, I might I might

488
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:41.319
put pants on. I think so like that this guy

489
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.079
is just standing there literally in his underwear.

490
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.160
But I mean think about it though, Like the fact

491
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.400
that they were able to keep this guy in their

492
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.319
living room. I don't think the boyfriend had time to

493
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.279
go get pants, you know what I mean? Like like, hey, hey,

494
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:58.480
guy who just broke into our house and opened up

495
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.599
all our Christmas gifts, could you stay right here I

496
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:02.640
go get dressed?

497
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.200
You know, I mean, he seems kind of cozy. He

498
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.880
seems like the Jose guy. He seems kind of cozy,

499
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.279
like he wouldn't have left if the police weren't. Like,

500
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.200
all right, buddy scram.

501
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.599
And he's very chill like this one as you're about

502
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:18.680
to see some all right, let's play the rest of

503
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:26.720
the video. Hold off, hold on, let you in here?

504
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:34.720
Should Champagne tell you? He Champagne? So how did you

505
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.599
end up in their apartment? I don't know.

506
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:48.000
I get I used to't have to okay, I just.

507
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:55.960
Got okay, somebody, let me let me back up here. Clearly,

508
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.480
this guy there's something. Either he doesn't speak English very well,

509
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.960
or he's maybe on some kind of substance abuse. I

510
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:09.200
don't know. He's not making himself very clear. He keeps saying, Champagne, Champagne,

511
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.960
let him in. The cop doesn't really know, So let's

512
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:19.839
play the rest. Okay, somebody invited you in here to

513
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:25.000
drink champagne. No, no, no his name? Okay, so he

514
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:28.240
invited you into his apartment and you stumbled into somebody

515
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:34.640
else's apartment completely unacceptable. Cool, And that's the part that

516
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.680
just blows my mind. The cop, you know, he's like,

517
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.039
why are you here? Who are you wanting to see?

518
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.920
He kept saying champagne, champagne, and then he hands him

519
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.319
his ID and then just sends him off like he's like,

520
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.559
just back here, yeah, don't come back here, Like hello,

521
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.359
he was breaking an entering, But I don't know what

522
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:54.440
are your thoughts so far? Before we continue.

523
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.839
It's kind of like like the circumstances are really funny,

524
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.720
but then, like you said, when you see it, it's

525
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.640
a little bit sobering, like this, Yeah, I mean I

526
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.599
would be fully alarmed if there was if this man

527
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.599
was just in my house, and especially if they woke

528
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.839
up in the morning, which it kind of like this is.

529
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.680
It looks like the timestamp is eight forty five am,

530
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.480
so like he was probably sleeping in the apartment with

531
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.480
them sleeping in it, and that's like kind of my

532
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.200
worst nightmare.

533
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.519
Yeah, do you get the impression the cops know him

534
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.240
or he has some kind of reputation with them?

535
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.559
You know, I normally are to solid like that, right,

536
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.079
Like he's like totally Harvey almost like he knew who Yeah.

537
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:39.799
Like he knew who he was, Like you're on Jose

538
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:40.680
like or whatever.

539
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.599
He goes again.

540
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:42.519
Yeah.

541
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:44.680
I couldn't tell if he was like calling in to

542
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.559
see what you know, the station had on him, or

543
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.400
if it was something like he was familiar.

544
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.640
Yeah, I don't know, but there's a lot more like

545
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.799
Now the officer, you know, the one that responded that

546
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.160
we were listening to, He hands over Harvey to a

547
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:05.119
female officer and Jose Harvey goes out with her, right,

548
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:09.400
but now he goes back upstairs to check on the victims.

549
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:18.319
So let's play the rest of this couldn't worse. We'll

550
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.920
time you guys go to bed last night late.

551
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.359
So there's a video.

552
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.599
Camera what times he came in here.

553
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.480
There's no video of him entering, but there's a video

554
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.359
of him walking around at seven, So I.

555
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.880
Don't know how he got it locked her.

556
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.039
Yeah, but there's no video of him entering. I get

557
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:40.839
notifications on my camera for every movement. There's a video

558
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.960
at one am and.

559
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.319
Then where was he when you woke up?

560
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:47.960
He was just playing on the couch that came out

561
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:53.160
to go to the bathroom. And yeah, the next thing

562
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.880
was at seven fifty six, he's just walking around.

563
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.440
Oh my gosh, there's a lot going on here, Like

564
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.039
what are you picking up from that last club?

565
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:10.119
Yeah, you really hit them that they could have been dangerous.

566
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.440
They feel really violated. They have.

567
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.839
They're so confused too, like she keeps saying, like, I

568
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.039
don't understand how he got in, right.

569
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.440
It sounds like she has cameras everywhere, like she could

570
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.680
tell when she went to bed and he wasn't there,

571
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:29.400
so that means he must have come in after they

572
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.279
went to bed, But she's not sure how he came

573
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.880
in because there's no footage of him coming in. And

574
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.799
at this point, the boyfriend is fully dressed, obviously because

575
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.599
the situation seems to be under control, right, but she

576
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.720
is shaken to the core. I mean and understanding that this.

577
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.079
Use in the bathroom has been destroyed and he moved

578
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.680
things around and put things in storage. Containers in the

579
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.799
bathroom were empty.

580
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:04.680
So do you think he had any idea you guys

581
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:05.160
are even home.

582
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:06.440
I don't think so.

583
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.480
I don't know because I don't think he got it

584
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:13.480
like everything. So she's just trying to figure this whole

585
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.480
thing out. It looks like something's going on in the bathroom,

586
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.319
like the cross space door was open and one of

587
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.720
the cats got out, and this is like just made

588
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.720
a really bad situation worse and so now they're now

589
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.640
they're looking for their cat. I mean, I just felt

590
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.839
so bad. But again, there's like this mystery of like

591
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:50.880
how did this guy get in? So that's open now.

592
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.640
I think that's why it's not on the camera, and

593
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:51.319
I think that's why.

594
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:58.720
So that explains how he came in undetected, right, Like

595
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.400
he just snuck into the window. So what ended up

596
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.640
happening was that Jose Harvey. It wasn't like he was

597
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.200
waiting for them to go to bed. He must have.

598
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.799
They must have gotten home late at night, she said,

599
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.599
around at one o'clock in the morning, they went to bed,

600
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:18.079
everything was fine. He wasn't there, and sometime after one

601
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.839
o'clock in the morning he snuck in through the window.

602
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.079
Must have fallen asleep, and it was It wasn't until

603
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.279
the morning when he started You know, opening up all

604
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:31.200
the gifts and just messing up their living room. I

605
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:34.920
think that once the cop realized, like how messed up

606
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.920
this was, he let me see if I could find this.

607
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.200
He realizes, Okay, well we got to take this guy in.

608
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:43.519
But I don't know why he didn't do that to

609
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:47.119
begin with. Yeah, stop and hold him. I think I'm

610
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:54.559
gonna take him on burglary. Yeah duh. So anyway, in

611
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.359
another body cam footage, you get to see where they

612
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:02.680
apprehend him. They they take him to the jail, and

613
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:08.039
eventually he was charged. But it's just wild, you know,

614
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.160
because at face value, this story just seemed kind of funny,

615
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.920
right like, now that we get this intimate look into

616
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.240
what happened, and not only like after it happened, we

617
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.880
were watching it happen in real time, it's just it

618
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:23.839
hits differently, I guess.

619
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:24.319
Yeah, it does.

620
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.079
I mean, when you only have so many details like it,

621
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.240
it kind of is like a funny story like someone's

622
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.799
in your house and opened up your presence and then

623
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.440
reorganized your storage stuff in the bathroom. But then you

624
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.759
like see the people and you see the impact, and

625
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.680
it definitely changes it a little bit.

626
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.400
Yeah, for sure.

627
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.480
And the way the officer sighed when he got in

628
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:50.200
the car, like you could tell that even he was like,

629
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.720
I can't even believe this is happening, Like I think

630
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.839
he even he really felt for them too and knew

631
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:56.640
to take it seriously.

632
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.240
So I'm gonna read it your rights and need to

633
00:33:59.279 --> 00:33:59.880
say yes or no.

634
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.680
I just love that he's handcuffed and he's standing there

635
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.280
with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth like answering

636
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.239
these questions.

637
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.480
Yeah, so that's it, guys. I don't know if this

638
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:18.559
made you less or more in the holiday spirit after sure,

639
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.880
definitely more. Yeah, well, thank you so much. This was

640
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.679
so much fun. I'm glad you were able to make

641
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:27.280
this happen.

642
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.119
Yeah, me too. I look forward to more of this

643
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:30.800
in twenty six.

644
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.519
Yeah. I have an episode. I'll plug this. I have

645
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.719
a Christmas crime episode that's a two part. It came

646
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.480
out last year. It is about Bertha Cody on the

647
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.559
murder of Renee Cody, and it is a true Christmas murder.

648
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.079
If you want something that's a little bit deeper dive

649
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.639
and not as a little bit more nefarious and breaking

650
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.039
and entering, but it's a very interesting story. It's from

651
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:05.320
the forties show Girls. It's got affairs, it's got everything,

652
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.480
So go listen to that if you want some more Christmas.

653
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.599
That's right, Murder, she told. All right, how about you, Sean,

654
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:13.679
what's going on with you and the rest of the year.

655
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.480
What should people look out for?

656
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.280
John and I are going to release our annual Missing

657
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.639
at the Holidays episode because during the typical time on

658
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.840
our podcast we focus on stories out of Las Vegas,

659
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.960
but once a year around the holidays, we share five

660
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.559
or six missing person stories from outside of Las Vegas

661
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:36.199
that either some of our friends in the podcasting world

662
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.239
have told us about that we want to highlight and

663
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.159
continue to keep their names out there and hope that

664
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.400
the families have answers in the new year. So we

665
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.760
have we'll have our annual Missing out the Holidays episode.

666
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:51.000
I think probably the thirtieth December thirtieth, I think this year.

667
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672
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