Episode 101 Off the Cuff

Shaun Welcome to another episode of Off the cuff conversations with Sean and John about Vegas news, strange headlines, case updates, and whatever else we feel like talking about. I'm your host, Sean.

John And I'm your co-host, John.

Shaun John. Happy pizza fest day. The greatest.

John We didn't even talk about the fact that we were going to talk about that. Tell the people what Pizza Fest is.

Shaun And it is the greatest day that we celebrate together in Las Vegas.

John It's the single most important holiday we have.

Shaun Yes, this is true. Um, every November for the past five years, um, a group, uh, puts together Pizza Fest. That is exactly what it sounds like. A ton of local pizzerias come out and they give out free samples of special pizzas that they made just for the event. So you pay one price and you eat as much pizza as you want.

John Yeah. It's basically. Yeah, exactly as advertised. Really fun. It's held at the, um. The industrial. Yeah. On, uh, industrial, which is right near the, um, the is it the, it escape room, the saw, the escape room. I think the it escape isn't the, it escape room there. Which is the one. Oh, the meat packing place. Oh, it is the escape room. You're right.

Shaun Yeah.

John All right. Um, but where's the escape room, then?

Shaun I'm not sure I'd have to look that up anyway.

John Um, well, I guess that's what we do. We off the cuff it anyway.

Shaun Yes, but I just wanted to, uh, to say, you know, it's our. It's probably one of our our favorite events that happens in Las Vegas. And we really look forward to it. And we take home leftovers and we just enjoy ourselves because we love Vegas doesn't have a reputation. I don't think people know it as like, this great pizza town. And definitely when I first moved here, it was not a great pizza town. And over time, we've gotten more and more really talented pizza chefs. And we just we just love it.

John Yeah. We have there's really a few really great pizza places.

Shaun Yeah, yeah.

John And you can get New York pizza. You can get Detroit pizza. You can get.

Shaun Chicago.

John Chicago pizza. If that's your jam, you get anything you want. And it's really quite good here.

Shaun And then folks for the event get really creative. And there was a couple people offering like a fall pizza with like butternut squash on it. So it's everything from like your classic Neapolitan to, you know, vodka sauce pizza and pizza. We had one with apples on it this time.

John Yeah, it was really good. So Las Vegas Pizza Fest, if you're ever in town in November or if you live here in town, check it out. It's definitely worth it.

Shaun Yeah. Uh, so to start us off this week, just like we've been doing this entire season, we want to highlight a person that is reported missing from the Las Vegas area. This week I want to talk about Patricia Lorraine Hassig. She was last seen when she was fifty seven years old, and the last contact her family had with her was a text message she sent them on October thirty first, twenty twenty one, while she was here in Las Vegas. So she'd be sixty one years old now. She's just she's a white woman. She's described as being five foot six, weighing two hundred pounds. And in the one photo we have of her, her hair is blonde, but unfortunately in the photo she's wearing dark sunglasses, which makes it kind of hard. Even if maybe you did see her to to know you've seen her. Uh, she has a name as profile and a Charley Project listing. But this is all the information we have about her. I don't know where she was from. It seems like she might have just been visiting Las Vegas four years ago on Halloween. Um, and I really do appreciate that Metro finally did put together this cold case database, But with such little information, it's really hard for it to feel helpful.

John Those are really frustrating when we don't know much about the much about the people involved.

Shaun And I'm not even sure her family, if she was here visiting, I don't know who she was visiting with or vacationing with. And they might not have even known where she was staying, or where she was supposed to be, or what she was up to. Um, but you can see the listing we have for her at Patricia, and you'll be able to see her name is profile. If you go to that URL, it's just a short link. Patricia. And then you can see the whole Metro cold case database of missing persons at Metro missing.

John And if you have any information, you can reach out to Metro at seven oh two eight two eight two nine zero seven. The next thing we are going to cover is an update to a case we covered. I don't know, a while ago, in probably April or so, because that's when it happened. And it's the case of the death of a police dog named Marley, a canine Marley. So we covered this before, as I said. And the officer assigned to Marley is named James Harris. And what happened was he was assigned to Foothill High School. He is actually a CCSD police officer, not a metro police officer. And he was assigned to Foothill High School all day. And he left Marley in the car for six hours. It was only about sixty five degrees in the shade that day. But of course, it can get much hotter than that. And you should never leave a dog in a car unattended, even on a day that you don't think is warm. But he told investigators that he disconnected the heat sensor that automatically rolls down windows and turns on a fan and sets off an alarm if the temperature gets too warm inside for the dog. No indication why he did that. And over those six hours that the school was in session, He did not give her food, water or bathroom breaks, and when he finally came out to the car, he moved the car into the shade before he called it in. And originally, he plead not guilty to negligence and he is facing only a misdemeanor charge. But recently, just this month, he changed his plea to no contest to that misdemeanor. So we haven't seen a sentence yet. We don't know what the sentence is going to be. And if you're wondering about if Reba's law applies, another thing that we covered in an earlier episode, it probably will not apply because the this particular crime happened before that law was passed. So it really wouldn't apply here, unfortunately. And just as a reminder, Reba's law was passed in response to a horrific case here in Las Vegas last year of a dog being taped inside a plastic tub and then left out, um, behind an AutoZone to die in one hundred degree heat. And um, that unfortunately, you know, obviously, that Reba, that dog passed away. Uh, but the result of that was that they passed Reba's law, which introduces much harsher penalties for animal abuse here in Clark County. So that's something. So when we learn more about what the actual sentence is for, uh, Officer James Harris, the master K-9 handler who let his dog and partner and, um, police officer dog die. We will we will let you know when we don't really anticipate. There's going to be a very stiff penalty at all for this because it's only, unfortunately, a misdemeanor.

Shaun Are there any did you read any stated dietary minimums or minimums or range or anything? Nope. So it could be probation.

John It could be probation.

Shaun Okay. Well, hopefully we learn soon what penalty there will be. And I mean, I can hope internally the officers are reminded that they're supposed to not do that.

John And also, hopefully he will not be put in charge of another K-9 officer. Yes, or allowed to own a pet. But of course that won't happen.

Shaun Yeah, we actually have some news that happened just yesterday. We're recording this on November fifteenth and just yesterday, uh, Friday, November fourteenth, there was a road rage murder that occurred just about a mile away from where we live. We don't have a lot of details just yet because it just happened. But I already know it's making national news right now. In Henderson and everywhere in Las Vegas, there is a lot of road construction happening. It seems that there's always construction here. There's kind of like that running joke that the traffic cone is the state flower of of Nevada's the traffic cone. So yesterday morning, two men were driving in their cars. And there's a part where the road is under construction at like two fifteen in Gibson. And I guess neither was letting the other one merge. There was some kind of jockeying for position. That's what the police called it. But they were trying to pass each other, and then one tried to pass in the shoulder, and it turned into this altercation, and the men rolled down their windows and they started yelling at each other. And the man in the sedan pulled out a gun and shot at the SUV. And it turned out that there was a eleven year old boy in the back seat that was being driven to school by his stepdad, and the boy was shot in the back seat. And then the stepdad in the SUV then rammed the sedan. Both cars stopped in the middle of the freeway. They both got out of their cars, and they were getting into this heated exchange and like a metro officer, happened to pass them and then stopped and they were able to break up the exchange and the boy was taken to the hospital, but he died of his injuries. They took the suspect into custody. His name that's been released is Tyler Matthew Johns. Currently, he's being held without bail on an open murder charge. And we'll just have more updates as we can. The boy has yet to be identified. We just know that he's eleven and he was on his way to school yesterday morning.

John So sad.

Shaun Yeah, it's a really hard one. And we've talked so many times on the podcast about the pedestrian deaths on the roads, e scooters, motorcycles and then this the road rage is out of control. We've had multiple road rage shootings in the city this year. And the police were just saying like, hey, stop it. Basically, that's what the officers had to say. Like it's it's tough. We're all in a hurry. We can all get where we need to be. We know it sucks that that merge is terrible, that the roads are congested because of construction, but we just kind of need to have tolerance for each other and like, get through it together. Because this escalation is is ugly and terrifying. So, um, and.

John There's no place you need to be that is more important than someone's life.

Shaun Uh, yes, that's very true. And, um, just because someone doesn't let you into merge, it's not a personal attack.

John And that happens all the time. And you really do have to.

Shaun Let it go.

John You just have to let it go. You can. You'll.

Shaun Yeah.

John It'll eat you alive.

Shaun Absolutely. And it's a it's it's a it's a very scary and sad story. I don't know if there were other kids in the car. Um, I don't know if the other driver had anybody in his car, that's all. All we know right now. And I'm sure we'll learn more. And like I said, it was already on CBS Evening News. It was in a people magazine. Um, so, yeah, we'll we'll update you when we know more.

John All right. Thank you. Uh, we also have an update on the real life Beavis and Butt-Head, Wyatt Fein and Peyton Cosper. So, as a reminder, these two and I call them Beavis and Butt-Head, because that's what the judge called them.

Shaun Oh my God.

John Yeah. He said that their antics were like Beavis and Butt-Head episode, which is absolutely true. So in April of twenty twenty four, these two who are cousins, were caught on video pushing large boulders off a cliff in the Redstone Dunes Trail area, inside of where else Lake Mead National Recreation Area, and one of them, uh, Fein Wyatt Fein, had his underage daughter with him as well. So they were quickly brought up on federal charges for defacing this national park. And it was really quite big news here. People were calling for their heads for, you know, Destroying this national park and they are basically pushing boulders off a cliff.

Shaun Yeah.

John It was really crazy.

Shaun In the the Red Rock area, right. So it's like a protected. Yeah.

John And um, recently on November fourteenth, they were, uh, finally sentenced. Back in April, they were found guilty by a federal court. It was it was a federal crime. Yeah. And they were facing up to ten years in jail.

Shaun Oh my God.

John For this, which even at the time I said that I thought was a little bit egregious.

Shaun Yeah.

John Um, but the judge agreed. And they were sentenced on November fourteenth, and they were sentenced to probation. The interesting thing is that one of them was already on probation. And now I guess he's on double probation.

Shaun Double secret.

John Double secret probation. So they're both on probation now? Um, and they have to perform community service at national areas. Um, uh, areas like, um, Lake Mead, Red Rock Canyon, Spring Mountain, and the judge said that he hopes that would help the men learn proper respect for public lands. Who knows if that will happen? But the judge did say that the crime caused a huge public outcry, but it did not involve a human victim, a weapon or any injury. And I think that's that makes sense. I and right.

Shaun That's what you said when it happened. You were like, it shouldn't have happened, but like a human or an animal wasn't hurt by what they did. Thank goodness it could have been.

John But yeah, this is something that can be a teachable moment. Yeah. You know, hopefully for everyone. And and it seems like from what these two were quoted as saying and they both had public defenders, they don't have any money. Right. Um, that it seemed like it was a wake up call for them and hopefully they will, you know, stay out of trouble.

Shaun I feel like they said that right after it happened, right? That they didn't know it wasn't it was against the rules to push the rocks off the cliff. I and I kind of get it because, I mean, there are so many places where you go, like the beach or a lake and people want to skip rocks or people want to build, um, what do they call those? The towers of rocks, like for marking trails and stuff? People touch and stuff all the time. And yeah, like Beavis and Butthead. They were just like, ha ha ha. We pushed the rock off the cliff. Ha ha ha. Just just silly, destructive, non-productive behavior.

John Just ridiculousness. Yeah. So yeah. And they were also fined nine hundred and seventy three dollars and, um, yeah. So they are now on probation. So that's the, uh, the update on that. So that the, the saga of the desecration of public lands here in Nevada is, uh, has, uh, this long state nightmare has ended.

Shaun Yes.

John Which is really.

Shaun Just another thing to keep in mind wherever, whenever you're visiting a national park, like it's for everyone. What do they say? Leave no trace, right?

John Yeah, yeah. Please leave. Please don't even put put down cairns. Those are not good. We don't. You don't want to put those. We will kick them over if we see them. Yeah. Um, so the thing they were, um. The thing they were found guilty of, the crime they were found guilty of was depredation of US property.

Shaun Wow. Okay. I guess it was US property.

John Yeah. I mean, it's federal land.

Shaun Yeah.

John So?

Shaun So those rocks belong to Uncle Sam?

John Yep.

Shaun Wild.

John All right. Next up, we have a couple of tech items. A couple of tech. These aren't really, um, specifically crime related, but just a couple things that I wanted to mention. Things that have come up over the past few months that kind of, you know, stuck out to me. The first is that there are a few companies now that are selling AirTag shoes, and they are marketed as shoes for your kids, like, they're just kids sneakers. And they have a little place in the in the sole where you can pull the sole out and put in an AirTag and presumably not have your kid know it's there and that they're being tracked. Um, so this is, you know, for parents who I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable to put an AirTag in your kid's bag or something. I mean, I find that pretty normal. If they don't have a phone, maybe you can.

Shaun Yeah, if they're small and they don't, they they're not. They can't yet say what their name or phone number is or who their mom is. Like if somebody were to if your kid were to get lost. Right. Especially if your kid's like neurodivergent, um, or has a communication issue or something, I could see that you would want to make sure you could. You could find them if they're not where they're supposed to be.

John But it's weird, though, that you would be secretly monitoring them. It would be for, like, the kid that you that you want to know where they are and they refuse to carry a phone or.

Shaun Yeah.

John So you stick this thing in their shoe secretly. That's the part that really kind of bothers me because I as a device, I've said before, I like the AirTag. I think it's great and useful, and I just don't see any problem with talking to your kid if they're old enough, or can understand that you wouldn't want them to be safe. And the other thing is if if they have a phone and they have an AirTag, the shoes don't change the way AirTags work, right? So if the AirTag is traveling around with them all day and it's not their AirTag, they're going to start getting notifications on their phone that there's an AirTag following them, right?

Shaun And right.

John Anyone's going to notice that. And if they're like out with friends, like if they go out to dinner with, like a friend and his family, all of them are going to start getting notifications that there's an AirTag following them to whoever.

Shaun Or like the bus driver who drives your kid on the bus every day, probably.

John Yeah. That's true.

Shaun I wonder if they get a ton of notifications of kids with AirTags in the bag.

John They might. They probably do. Um, so what? I thought I thought a better thing was just to talk about it with your kid and then share the device with your kid so that they're not getting the notifications all the time. That's just my opinion, but I just found that to be a really weird thing.

Shaun To be like, your kids will never know. I think that's what you said to me. You said something like, I just heard a commercial about it, and I and it was like, do you wonder where your kids are? Do you want to secretly monitor them.

John We have.

John one reason. I would say it would be a good idea to do something like this is the case where even this really, if your kid were to get kidnapped and like, like they lose their backpack or the AirTag is really obvious in the backpack and the whatever.

Shaun Like their their phone is dumped. Yeah, sure. Um, worst case scenario type.

John Stuff potentially track them that way, but I feel like that's really kind of an edge case. The thing is, if the the people who grab your kid have an iPhone, they're going to know there's an AirTag following them around. Yeah, that's how they work. But so anyway, I don't think it's a great product. I you know, I don't think.

Shaun It's.

John Going to serve the purpose the way you think it is.

Shaun Yeah, I guess because AirTags are like the size of quarters, almost like they could be. They could be swallowed. So that's why I was only thinking like for little kids. Like if you have a concern about a small child who isn't trusted with a phone yet and, you know, could leave a backpack.

John That's valid, I guess.

Shaun Yeah, like and that way they can't get it, mess with it, lose it like it's always with them. Eat it. Yeah. choke on it. So I guess, but we first heard about a parent putting a AirTag in a kid's shoe that was like one of our our first Tech Corner episode where, um, I think it was a mom wanted to monitor what was going on when the kid was with the ex. So she hid the AirTag in the shoe so she could keep tabs on her kid. And I'm not saying that there's not parents out there that have valid concerns when their kid goes with the other parent, because most of the time when kids are kidnapped, it's by their by a non-custodial parent. Right. But it just it we were just we've just been talking about that the whole time. We've um, been doing the podcast like these monitoring devices, they have good uses and they can be weaponized and somebody could, you know, track you that way.

John We're going to talk about another product that could be weaponized in just a little bit.

Shaun Oh.

John It's funny a little teaser.

John Yeah. Are we going to talk about that in the overtime or in the swing shift. Are we going to talk. Oh we're gonna talk about it in this episode.

Shaun We talked about it in this episode, but that's a good reminder that we do have this week. We have three other topics that we save and hold for the bonus episode.

John Oh my gosh, what are they? No, we won't even should we not tell them?

Shaun Oh, we could tell them.

John Okay, we'll tell you what the topics are. But if you want to hear them you have to subscribe. Subscribe to the.

Shaun These are special just for our subscribers. That's right. Um. Ava Lavie, she, um, what is wanted by the LAPD for using data apps to dating apps to rob older men? Um, Illinois Governor JB Pritzker won some money here in Las Vegas. And we're going to talk about the Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard anniversary post that caused a lot of controversy online. So those are our three. We say that again.

John Not the yoga.

Shaun Oh not the yoga incident which was different. Um, we might talk about that too though.

John All right. So stay tuned for that. Um, so then the second thing I wanted to talk about was this just happened like Friday yesterday, November fourteenth. So, um, iPhone, uh, Apple introduced a new feature to iOS for your iPhone latest version of iPhone with newer versions of the, um, of the hardware of the iPhone itself, where you can add your driver's license and your passport to your wallet. And they are piloting the the ability to use basically, um, ID inside of your wallet, like a virtual ID at two hundred and fifty airports in the US. You can't use them for international travel yet. But basically, if there is a point where you have to present your passport or you want to present your ID and you don't maybe have a real ID license yet, you can present it electronically on your iPhone now and it will it will be valid, um, at us or at least two hundred and fifty US airports. And they're expanding that number just like they did with with Apple Pay. Like it'll start in a smaller set of airports and that'll expand. Um, so it's just kind of convenient, just a way to scan your passport. Um, it's really, really easy to set up. I did mine tonight. You just you just take a picture of the photo page of your passport, scan the chip inside your passport, take a few selfies, and then it takes a couple days for them to validate that it's really you. And then you can present your passport electronically.

Shaun So the feds are are cool with this. They think this is, uh, it's.

John Yeah. Apple's working with the federal government and TSA.

Shaun Oh, neat.

John Is this.

Shaun Official? Is there any word of, um, like local DMVs or states also using that for.

John You can also put in your driver's license for thirteen states.

Shaun Oh, okay.

John Um, why Arizona? Nebraska? I don't know what they are, but like thirteen states. You can also put in your driver's license. So any place you can present your driver's license.

Shaun They're going to accept it. Right. That's really cool.

John And I've definitely been in places like we went to the pizza fest today and um, not that I really wanted to drink, but I couldn't because I left my my driver's license in the car.

Shaun Right.

John But assuming this is recognized by, you know, Pizza Fest, I could just show them my driver's license right inside my wallet. And I assume that within the next year, that will be the same thing as showing your physical license.

Shaun Yeah, I'm thinking that, too. And they're kind of counting on the Apple technology to to verify it, to make sure it's really you.

John Yes.

Shaun I think that's interesting.

John It's just the same way you don't have to carry your credit card anymore.

Shaun Yeah. You just. Yeah.

John Like there's no question about that. Um, I mean, for now, I will probably like, if I travel, I'm definitely going to have my license and my, um, you know, or if we were going internationally to carry your passport anyway, but I would probably carry my license and or passport anyway, just in case. But you pointed out that most times when you go to the airport now, they don't even ask for your driver's license.

Shaun The last time I did, they didn't. They just they wanted me to step in and have my picture taken. Taken with the camera? Yeah. And then that was it. I think that was it. Yeah, yeah. And yeah. Scan my boarding pass maybe. And then look at my face.

John Yeah.

Shaun So but I mean I have um what do they call that I have uh, not clear PreCheck I have PreCheck, so. Right. I think I'm just like, in the system.

John You might be. Oh, yeah, that might be because you're, uh, doing PreCheck. That's true. Cool. And the last one I had was just kind of a local thing that Henderson police introduced just a couple weeks ago. And they introduced these things called internet purchase safety zones. So, um, at two locations of, uh, police locations, police stations here in Henderson, on, um, Green Valley Parkway and um, on sunset. You can go there between eight and four and perform your, your internet purchase exchanges at a place that is supervised and, uh, a safe place to exchange goods and money or whatever. Like I've sold things on Facebook Marketplace, bought things on Facebook Marketplace, and I usually just meet at the gym down the street. But this is a better option. Yeah, go to the police station, sit under the.

Shaun It's open twenty four hours.

John It's open eight to four.

Shaun Oh.

John Um.

Shaun Oh, well. The police. Yeah. Okay, yeah I gotcha.

John They're monitored from eight to four.

Shaun Oh, okay. So it's not okay.

John It's like a labeled parking lot space that says this is the.

Shaun Oh, I got.

John You. And they're monitored by cameras. Kind of like the fusion camera system. And, um. Yeah, just a safe place to, um, you know, sell your old.

Shaun So because you're, you're probably gonna give your friend, your friend, your buyer, or your cellar cash. Yeah. So you're going to have cash on you. You don't want to get jumped, mugged, ripped off. Yeah.

John You don't want to have your stuff stolen. And that's a really common thing to be concerned about. I mean.

Shaun Yeah, you.

John Don't want people coming to your house.

Shaun You don't.

John Want to go to somebody's.

Shaun House. Yeah, um.

John I've seen movies. I'm not doing that.

Shaun I do, and, like, this is important, especially with the holidays, I think, because that's probably when you know people are doing the most shopping, probably over the next two months, give or take.

John Yep. So if you're here in town, you could do that between eight and four at the North Police Station on sunset and the West Police Station on Green Valley Parkway.

Shaun Awesome. That's really good. That's really interesting that they did that, but I think it's really smart.

John Thank you.

Shaun All right. Um, the last thing we have to talk about today. Um, you mentioned this to me, and then I was like, I don't really know enough about this technology to talk about it, so let me look it up. So this next and last, um, story we have today also has to do with technology. It has to do with the meta glasses. The ones that are look like Ray-Bans or are Ray-Bans, I should say. And I've seen ads for them all over. A-listers are doing ads for these Ray-Ban meta glasses. Um, I hate calling it meta, but the company behind Facebook. They developed these AI glasses. They look just like regular glasses. They have transition lenses in them so they can be like sunglasses, or they look clear, like regular glasses, but with them it's like a screen on your eyeball. You can read your read your text, you can talk to Siri with them. And they come with what they call a neuro band. It looks like a watch band that you wear on your wrist. And I guess I would compare it to like a mouse, so you don't have to say commands out loud, necessarily necessarily to the glasses to make them work, to make them send a text message or make a FaceTime call, you can just move your hand and use gestures to scroll or click in the glasses display. Obviously, I've never tried them. Um, they look they look kind of fun. Something interesting and different, but also something you'd really need to get used to. I don't know how you see that on your eye. I don't know how they work for people who wear glasses all the time like me. Uh, they.

John Get them with a prescription.

Shaun Oh, wow.

Shaun I didn't realize that.

John Yeah.

Shaun Those are probably really expensive because they start at seven point nine nine to begin with. Anyway, um, seven hundred and ninety nine American dollars.

John And honestly, as a technology, it seems pretty cool to me.

Shaun Yeah, it has like a built in camera. So you can. The example I saw online is like, you look at something and you can ask Siri, like, what is this? And she'll be like, those are tomatoes. And then she can be like, you can use them in a recipe and like give you the recipe for, you know, the salsa that you can make with these tomatoes. And then they also take pictures and they also film. So there's a camera built into the frame of the glasses and similar like to your to your iPhone. I'm not as familiar with Android. Um, when your camera is on there's like a light indicator, at least on mine. What do I have, a fifteen iPhone fifteen. There's a light, so you know your camera's on or your microphones on, the lights on. So the camera frames also have a light so you know you're being filmed or the light is the light is on almost like a flash. I think you compared it to a flash. Um, but then if I don't want to give away the story. Do you want to say the reason why you. You told me about these glasses?

John Well, the reason it came up is because anything that can be weaponized will be weaponized immediately. So to me, the fact that it can take pictures is not really the most interesting thing. You can take pictures. You can take video. Um, I guess like on the website, they have a picture of like a guy cycling, taking a video, almost like a GoPro. Yeah, like exactly like a GoPro. You're skiing. You can take a video like that. Super cool.

Shaun Yeah, it is neat.

John Um, they have a little heads up display so you can see, you know, you can make video calls in there and you can see like a little screen. It's really kind of cool. And I imagine this is probably where the, um, the, you know, head worn computing will be going eventually. But the problem is that people are using them in not so great ways, like to surreptitiously record people so they have that light. They have like the flash, right? So what people are doing is looking for ways to circumvent the flash turning on so that they can, like, take pictures of people. Like, I don't know, on the subway or, you know, whatever it is. Um, and even worse, there have been other instances of people going in for massages and requesting like sex acts and recording the reaction. Um. Um, I think both allegedly recording actual sex acts and also recording people like quoting prices and things like that.

Shaun Oh, so you compared it to like, spy technology, like something James Bond would own. Like, you go into the museum and you can like, look around and see where all the security cameras are or whatever, where, you know, without.

John If James Bond were a creeper, then yes.

Shaun Yeah. So so people are wearing these and going into, um, seemingly consensual spaces with other people. But these people don't know they're being filmed. Right.

John So the other thing is, so people will say like, oh, the lights on, and that means you're being filmed. Well, I mean, not everybody knows what these things are, right? You didn't know what they were.

Shaun I really I don't know that I would notice if somebody was wearing them.

John Um, and we found a great article talking about the fact that, you know, Meta's take on this was basically people are responsible for following the law and whether or not they're wearing Ray-Ban. Meta's like, okay.

Shaun Right.

John I guess, but, you know, I have seen it pointed out that if you have a device that is capable of doing a specific thing, like a thing that looks like another thing, if you have a nanny camera built inside of a teddy bear, you know what? Like we all know what that's for. Even if on the website it says not for surreptitiously recording people. Um, and so when you see the example of a like a novelty tie that has a hidden bladder that holds liquids.

Shaun So clearly.

John What are you gonna do? You're gonna put alcohol in there to smuggle it in someplace. You're not supposed to have it, but it doesn't really matter if the manufacturer says you shouldn't put alcohol in here. Like we all know.

Shaun Everybody knows what it's for.

John Yeah, so it's a big problem. And I don't know how they're gonna. Um, I think meta is doing an okay job. Like, if the, if the light is covered or the light is deactivated, then the camera stops working. I think that's a recent enhancement. So that's good. But I mean, it's like an arms race.

Shaun Yeah. Yeah. You said that right now you can buy a mod for the glasses. Yeah. So the light doesn't turn on, but it's only sixty bucks.

Shaun Yeah.

Shaun So just be aware I guess almost like everything we share is just it's more for your own information. I wish we had a better solution, but.

John And definitely there have been stories about like people going into gyms and then like being asked to leave. They're like, either take the glasses off or leave.

Shaun Yeah.

John I don't have a problem with that. I just don't think it's the right thing for public spaces.

Shaun Personally, yeah, yeah. And my concern about it is, um, like, it's pretty obvious when someone's not paying attention if their phone is out and in their face. But I was like calling out people who will probably, I don't know, be wearing them in meetings and actually like scrolling Instagram instead of paying attention or going, you know, like going to some place you think is boring, like, I don't know, um, a lecture or church or your kid's recital. And instead of paying attention, you're watching that. I think it's like it's obvious when someone's not paying attention and they're using their phone, but this.

John Is like valid use for these things.

Shaun There's a whole, like you said, like, what else are they designed to do? What else is the purpose of it? Because you like I don't what else would it be? And that makes me nervous for people driving. That makes me nervous for people biking, skiing, all that stuff.

John Like that's true. If you're scrolling your feed while you're biking, that's probably not a.

Shaun We just keep thinking.

Shaun We just keep inventing more and more ways to distract ourselves.

Shaun Yeah.

Shaun Like it's it's bizarre.

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